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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2016 23:15
Why has this thread been resurrected? I know the events of today but the clip is more than a year old.
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2016 07:38
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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2016 11:44
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Fair point, reading some vitriol comments on JJ's death, MTJ's point "Junaid Jamshed has been serving Islam for 17 years and ONE MISTAKE of his and you made him a Kaafir??? " is more than relevant even after his demise
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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2017 17:51
(salam)

I really do not know whether to lament or just make dua that people stop making themselves look like clowns today..they make mockery of muslims just because they want to make themselves heard..

Majlis on April 24th published an article titled "shaitaniyat of mudhil tariq jameel" iyadhu billah min zaalik..based mainly upon points mentioned on post 1 of this thread (which was posted in June 2014)

Can these stupid people ever research the facts anytime.. its mentioned in Hadith, the meaning of which, is that if someone falsely accuses a brother of a sin he did not commit, then it shall happen that this person shall commit that very sin before he dies..

The moment u open their site.. profanities is all u are greeted with.. seriously reflects their caliber..

To those associated with majlis plz tell them that Hazrat Maulana Tariq Jameel sahab (db) had done rujoo years ago and to kindly stop making fools of themselves..


May Allah سبحانه وتعالى give hidaya to us all.. Ameen..

wa Assalam..
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2017 14:55
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slmz

you right.

you should inform the Majlis as part of your duty. maybe they are unaware!

i would inform majlis but never ever contacted them. i only see their books.
have u read: 'naming and shaming' of the majlis.

really an inspiring book.

our sheikh tariq jameel made rujoo.
hope he renewed his nikah also.

i wanted to know: is tariq jameel still a faasiq?

majlis of sa is off-track. but read the book 'naming and shaming'

shukran.
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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2017 16:23
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our sheikh tariq jameel made rujoo.

i wanted to know: is tariq jameel still a faasiq?[/quote]

A Deobandi Response!
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Question
Two terms are used, ‘kaafir’ and ‘faasiq’. Please explain that whom we call faasiq and whom we call kaafir and what type of actions came under each category. If any of these actions performed by any Muslim unintentionally, will his/her tawbah be accepted in both cases?

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In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Assalaamu `alaykum waRahmatullahi Wabarakatoh

The word Kaafir is derived from the root word Kufr, which means to hide or be ungrateful. If a person does not believe in the Oneness of Allah or His attributes and His Laws as he ought to believe, then he is hiding the truth and is ungrateful to Allah. When a person believes in the Oneness of Allah with His attributes and also submits to the Laws of Allah as Allah wants him to do, he is not a Kaafir.

The word Faasiq is derived from the root word Fisq, which means to transgress. If a believer violates the Laws of Allah, he is a Faasiq.

The jurists explain that if a believer makes a mockery of any aspect of Islam (Istihzaa) or looks down on any aspect of Islam (Istikhfaaf), that contitues Kufr.

The Fuqaha have outlined in detail those issues that lead to Kufr and Fisq.

Allah is Most Merciful. He is Most Forgiving. If a Kaafir or Faasiq honestly makes Tawba and repents, Allah will forgive him. In Islam, one has direct access to Allah. He does not have to confess his wrongs or sins to any person and degrade himself. If he regrets his wrongs and seeks Allah’s forgiveness directly, Allah will forgive him.

And Allah knows best

Wassalam

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In’aamiyyah
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2017 16:34
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our sheikh tariq jameel made rujoo.

i wanted to know: is tariq jameel still a faasiq?[/quote]

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[quote]Determining whether someone is a kaafir or a faasiq (faasiq) is not up to us, rather it is up to Allaah, may He be exalted, and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This is one of the rulings of sharee’ah that is to be referred to the Qur’aan and Sunnah, so we should be very careful and base our judgement on clear proof. No one may be judged to be a kaafir or faasiq except the one whom the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicate is a kaafir or faasiq.

The basic principle is that the one who appears outwardly to be a Muslim of good character is regarded as still being a Muslim of good character, until it is proven that this is no longer the case by means of evidence that is acceptable in sharee’ah. It is not permissible to take lightly the matter of judging someone to be a kaafir or faasiq, because that involves two very serious matters:

1 – It implies fabricating lies against Allaah with regard to this ruling, and fabricating lies against the one who is being judged.

2 – Falling into that which one accused one’s brother of, if he is free from that.

(Part of a longer answer)

Islam qa
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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 15th May 2017 19:00
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Salam, please note www.muftisays.com/forums/23-registered-users--announcemen...

This can spark chaos due to the followers of the organisation in question. Better to post about it on the blogs and you can link to it in the topic to create awareness to ensure the thread doesn't spiral out of control and end up in member-only hidden refutations group. jzk
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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 30th November 2017 09:34

Part 16 Shaykh (Maulana) Tariq Jameel (HA) and Masjid Al-Aqsa

My brother in law who often goes to Masjid Al-Aqsa told me that he was flying back from Tel-Aviv while connecting through Istanbul. In the departure lounge while waiting he saw someone who looked like Maulana Tariq Jameel so he walked upto the man (sitting with his wife).

It was indeed Maulana Tariq Jameel who was flying back to Pakistan with his wife through Istanbul.

Maulana Tariq Jameel was sitting down and my brother-in-law was standing. They introduced each other and starts casually talking.

Then my brother-in-law mentioned that he was coming back from Masjid Al-Aqsa and that he often goes there.

Maulana Tariq Jameel immediately stood up, started crying and hugging him.

Maulana explained that as a Pakistani citizen he is not allowed to go to Masjid Al-Aqsa but it is his misfortune that Allah Ta’ala has deprived him due to his sins.

There was no Media, nobody else around and the way Maulana Tariq Jameel reacted was instinctive and spontaneous.

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd March 2018 10:24
Nothing new has come to light which needs refuting at this point.
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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 19th November 2018 15:26
On masala of nikaah with Shi`a; Maulana Ashraf `Ali Thanvi rahimuhullah lists following aqaid as those definitive in establishing kufr on Shi`a:

1. Tahrif (alteration) of the Quran e Majeed
2. Accusing Hadhrat `Aisha Siddiqa of immorality
3. Hadhrat Jibraeel alayhis salaam making a mistake
4. Ascribing divinity to Hadhrat `Ali radiAllahu `anhu

And continues with whether Tabarra on the Sahaba-e-Ikraam entails kufr. Thereafter stated that there is a difference of opinion. Maulana references Allaama (Ibn Abidin) as-Shaami rahimuhullah that he has given preference to the verdict of non-Kufr; however, quoted that there is no doubt in those who do Tabarra as being innovators.

See: Imdaad ul fatawa, vol.4 pp.478/9, jadeed edition, ia600600.us.archive.org/35/items/Imdad-ul-Fatawa-Jadeed-E...

Giving benefit of the doubt to Maulana Tariq Jameel sahib he could have come across this verdict, or similar, and as a precaution leans towards this opinion.

There is also other factors in that Maulana attends and interacts in the public domain with a vast array of people of different political and religious outlook. And due to the Shi`a element of Taqiyya in public meetings they will no doubt suppress any open display of their controversial beliefs and practices. Based on that interaction and not investigating further; one could get the impression that these (laymen) Shi`a don't subscribe to such beliefs; as opposed to what one hears from others or what is cited in their works and even when confronted they usually claim that such narrations are fabrications.

Keep in mind that in dawah the objective is always on inclining people towards the deen. There is no harm in using one’s abilities accordingly if their personality is more suited to influence such people. Maulana should continue to adopt tact, diplomacy and wisdom when dealing with various groups, however it should never be done at the expense of potentially compromising `aqaid and treading in grey area; this is especially true when on occasion they put across their calls of unity in their bayaanat. There is no harm in calling towards that in civil matters, working together to bettering the community, demonstrating good akhlaaq and accommodating of each other without resorting to sectarian violence and aggravating matters in the public domain.

Maulana isn't known for being a specialist on shi`a or firqa-e-baatilah. There is also the difference with respect to Zaidi Shia` and Ithna `Ashariyya (Imami); the latter being the mainstream and upon whom is the verdict of Kufr.

Imam Anwar Shah Kashmiri (rahimuhullah) writes, "Shah ‘Abd al-'Aziz declared Ithna 'Ashari Shias as kafir and said, 'Those who don't declare them kafir are not aware of their beliefs’, and my fatwa is the same (that they are kafir.)” (Faid al-Bari, 1:104)

As the above statement shows there have been scholars that did not incline towards kufr (on tabarra or other reason). Thus; we can infer that such scholars may not have been fully familiar with, or delved into, the heretical beliefs and textual evidences of the ithna `ashariyya for them to arrive at the same conclusion.

In any case, due to being made aware of the controversy around such statements in past and present Maulana should prioritise taking time out of, or rather fit into, their busy schedule to meet with `ulema experts in the field and research further into Shi`a `aqaid and thereafter better construe their calls for peace and social order with same impact but without offending anyone.
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