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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 09:11

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It is not the case but just think about what you are saying.

You are saying that western style education makes a person more disciplined, professional, truthful and observant of time and discipline compared to education in the Madrasa system


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Did the Army make PTI win in KPK in the last election provincial cycle over Ulama? In the cycle before that did the Army make people vote for ANP after MMA had won the provincial majority. Second party was PPP, in other words the people rejected the Ulama (after being in [power for 5 years) for two Secular parties.

2008 Elections

The elections of 2008 resulted in the Awami National Party and Pakistan Peoples Party emerging as the two largest parties at the expense of the conservative Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal.[4]

PartyElectedReservedTotal
Awami National Party391049
Pakistan Peoples Party16420
Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal11314
Pakistan Muslim League (N)617
Pakistan Muslim League (Q)516
Pakistan Peoples Party (Sherpao)516
Others26733
Total9925124

2013 Elections

The elections of 2013 resulted in the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf emerging as the largest party in the province.[5] The Assembly was dissolved on 28 May 2018 after completing a 5-year term.[6]

PartyElectedReservedTotal
Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf511263
Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (F)12416
Pakistan Muslim League (N)12416
Qaumi Watan Party8210
Jamaat-e-Islami718
Awami National Party415
Pakistan Peoples Party516
Total9925124
2018 Elections

The elections of 2018 resulted in the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf emerging as the largest party in the province.[7]

PartyElectedReservedTotalPakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf661884Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal10313Awami National Party729Pakistan Muslim League (N)516Pakistan Peoples Party415Independent3-3Pakistan Muslim League1-1Election Postponed3-3Total9925124

Go ahead and hit dislike and chase me from thread to thread because you don’t have an answer and your ego is now bruised!


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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 09:19
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I see. Why are you mentioning ego, when you have adequately responded to my statement?
Are you mentally okay?
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 09:19
Please stick to the current topic. Irrelevant posts, posts inciting a debate or disrespect towards another member will be removed without notice. Jazakumullah
Please only post relevant issues to the current topic, otherwise please start a new topic. Jazakumullah
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 10:15
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It is not the case but just think about what you are saying.

You are saying that western style education makes a person more disciplined, professional, truthful and observant of time and discipline compared to education in the Madrasa system


I am not expressing MY opinion here. I have asked you a question based upon your previous post that what you have said that because of British raj in the subcontinent, when they left this area, people were more disciplined, honest and truthful where as after the 90s, Pakistanis got ill mannered.

So this means that Darul uloom according to you in UK produce better disciplined and better quality ulema as compared to Pakistan, India and Bangla Desh? Is this what you mean? This is my question.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 10:41

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Western Madaris and Darul-ulooms are equally badly run in terms of professionalism because instead of focusing on professionalism (in administration) they do the minimum to comply with Government regulations. Majority of Islamic schools are also a disaster.

They are run by people who are not professionally trained. Just like Pakistan, there are some exceptions but by and large they are a mess (in terms of professionalism).

Nevertheless, I am still trying to hint at an issue to you.

How regrettable is the situation that we cannot even professionally run Islamic institutions when we claim to want to run the entire Ummah? The Government or the Military or Illuminati or Freemasons etc DO NOT conspire to teach our religious institutions to be late, tardy, not return messages etc.  The one which do run professionally hire MBAs on exorbitant salaries and proudly proclaim that they have MBAs running their Institutions. Does the Illuminati prevent our Islamic Institutions from producing people who don’t care about Muamalaat?

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 10:42
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Let them go to the same schools and colleges as others do,please...

But concurrently give them guidance at home and keep them aware of truth,good manners and good conduct. The new leadership of this Ummah will most probably emerge from universities and colleges rather than the madrasah and khanaqah.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 10:59
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How regrettable is the situation that we cannot even professionally run Islamic institutions when we claim to want to run the entire Ummah? The Government or the Military or Illuminati or Freemasons etc DO NOT conspire to teach our religious institutions to be late, tardy, not return messages etc. The one which do run professionally hire MBAs on exorbitant salaries and proudly proclaim that they have MBAs running their Institutions. Does the Illuminati prevent our Islamic Institutions from producing people who don’t care about Muamalaat?

First sentence is spot on :)
Back to going off topic, but your missing the bigger picture. You're asking how these others can influence our downfall! Well ironically, they've already diluted our system with their filth and we didn't see it coming! We have their symbols in so many Islamic places from the top to the bottom, from the rich to the poor.

Why do you think we are late, lazy, tardy and don't return messages? We're too bogged down in their creation(s)
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:08

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Let’s imagine your assessment is actually true that the “illuminati” are so influential that they are able to penetrate deep inside our Madaris and Darul-ulooms and influence the Ulama and the students and within a space of less than 100 years they have made them run “our own Institutions” in an unprofessional manner.

Let’s imagine that your second assessment is also actually true that the “illuminati” are so influential that they are able to take Ulama and Mashaykh AWAY from Allah Ta’ala and concentrate on creation.

Just stop for a moment and reflect on the gravity of the situation and reflect on your own words.

In simple terms, you are blaming the tardiness, unprofessionalism of Madaris and Darul-uloom on the Illuminati.

Pretend that I wish to destroy your household. In order to do so, I need to get inside and penetrate into your household. I am able to do so and the entire blame is mine and you have no blame for being so careless as to allowing me inside your home.

Very good…

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:25
Lucifer promised to destroy the Deen of Allah and when he whispers to man kind and man kind obeys, his job is done.

When asking for justice, we will naturally blame Lucifer and his henchmen, what will the response be?
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:33
Of course I'm not saying Illuminati is to blame, but they are part of the cause albeit in the form of technological advancements where time and money is wasted, where fitnah is normalised, where.

Look how many scholars you have exposed with proof!

Look how many kids are being destroyed because of us parents allowing them to enjoy themselves by giving them mobiles and tablets with restrictions, but for how long? How easy it is to watch porn or listen to haram and so on.

So you can pretend to destroy my household by giving me all these worldly things but ultimately, it would be my carelessness for allowing you to do so. At the end of the day, you would still be the cause.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:35

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Qu'raan gives you an answer to your question:

وَقَالَ ٱلشَّيۡطَـٰنُ لَمَّا قُضِىَ ٱلۡأَمۡرُ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَعَدَڪُمۡ وَعۡدَ ٱلۡحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمۡ فَأَخۡلَفۡتُڪُمۡ‌ۖ وَمَا كَانَ لِىَ عَلَيۡكُم مِّن سُلۡطَـٰنٍ إِلَّآ أَن دَعَوۡتُكُمۡ فَٱسۡتَجَبۡتُمۡ لِى‌ۖ فَلَا تَلُومُونِى وَلُومُوٓاْ أَنفُسَڪُم‌ۖ مَّآ أَنَا۟ بِمُصۡرِخِڪُمۡ وَمَآ أَنتُم بِمُصۡرِخِىَّ‌ۖ إِنِّى ڪَفَرۡتُ بِمَآ أَشۡرَڪۡتُمُونِ مِن قَبۡلُ‌ۗ إِنَّ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ لَهُمۡ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ۬

[14:22] And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."

BUT it is far easier to blame the Illuminati, Freemasons, CIA, Mossad, NATO, RAW etc THEN to take responsibility OR to actually read the book of Allah Ta’ala and look for answers.

Sure, the Illuminati have penetrated the Madaris and Darul-ulooms and made them the way they are, makes perfect sense (I guess in your universe).

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:36
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That is it !

The only true war going on in this world is between Shaytan and Bani Adam,between the followers of the prophets (represented today by Muslims) and the followers of Iblees, all other conflicts are either symptoms of this fundamental enemity or mere distractions.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:43
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Masha Allah!

So we're on the same page :)

Lucifer says: "......But I betrayed you"

Now tell me what destroyed some of the greatest educational institutions of the world, specifically Islamic.

Don't forget, the Illuminati, Freemasons etc are just henchmen of Lucifer.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 11:55

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Never met Lucifer so no idea if he has betrayed me and for what reason...

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2019 12:07
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Well he knows you :)

In fact he's more knowledgeable than all of us put together. Non of us have met him, but we have listened to him.

Anyways, your are unintentionally, half claiming to be a Prophet :(

Lucifer's henchmen have touched almost every baby ever born in to this world so be careful what you say.

Sarcasm is nice and I love being sarcastic but not in such cases my friend.

You have never met me and I have never met you, but how do you know if I've betrayed you, by giving you a thumbs down in the least and for what reason.

You don't have knowledge of the unseen, but some have knowledge behind the scenes lol.

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