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#256 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:30
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By the way that's your grace and kindness that you dropped Ambya and Sahab from the list.

I have learned from this discussion that why barelwis can't get the point that our akabir didn't commit any gustakhi....
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#257 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:33
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Professionals who are running the shops of amaliyaat and rohaani ilaaj.
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#258 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:34

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You have not answered any questions but insist on insults and bad manners.

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#259 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:38

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Bayan:

08:48:

Bhai kya hogaya kis tarah se main samjhaun.. ye baat main ghol ke dimagh me utarun.. to in ruhani ilaaj walon ko khwa vo kitne hi buzurg ho.. ye buzurg ho sakte hain nek ho sakte hain Thajjud guzaar bhi hosakte hain.. Allah wale bhi hosakte hain.. baaz taweez ke paise bhi nahin lete Ruhani ilaaj se.. balke paise dete bhi nahin.. sab kuch hosakte hai.. Magar pagal saare hote hain.. ye bata doon aap ko..

Translation:

Brother, what has happened.. How shall I make you understand?. How do I stir this matter in your minds. That those who practice Ruhani Ilaaj (Amaliyat), Howsoever Buzurg they might be. They could be Buzurg, They could be Pious.. Those who pray Tahajjud. They could be Ahlullah. Some even do not take any money for spiritual treatment or may even give money. All such are possible. Yet All of them are Lunatics. iam making this clear.

Deduction:

  1. Person can be  Buzurg
  2. Person can be pious
  3. Person can be regular in Tahajjud
  4. Person offer their Services FREE OF CHARGE
  5. People may even offer MONEY

Where did you deduce Professional from this list?

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#260 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 18:48
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I wear clothes can I call myself Kapray Wala??
I use tomato while cooking food can I call myself TAMATAR WALA?

Kapray wala is one who runs the shop of clothes
Tamatar wala is one who runs the shop of Tomatoes

Similarly Rohaani ilaaj waala is one who runs the shop of rohaani ilaaj.

AGREED??
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#261 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 19:32
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السلام عليكم

Alhamdulillah.. A great Fadhl of Allah سبحانه وتعالى .. I have found some interesting reference in the following book "Arwah e Thalathah" which was compiled by Hazrat Maulana Syed Zuhur ul Hasan Sahab Kasaulwi رحمة الله عليه (former Nazim of Khanqah Imdadiyah Ashrafiya Thanabhawan) with commentary from Hakeem ul ummat Hazrat Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanwi رحمة الله عليه

insha Allah..it shall clear many things..

This is the book..





contd..
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#262 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:16
Everyone please listen to this bayan from 11:30 onwards.

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#263 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:34
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بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم


Arwah e Thalathah P: 55-56





بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم


Anecdote 41.


Khan sahab رحمة الله عليه (1) narrates that Maulvi Abdul Qayyum sahab, Maulvi Mahmood Phulati sahab, Maulvi A’lam Ali sahab recounted that a Jinn possessed someone in the time of Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz Muhaddith Dehlawi رحمة الله عليه. His relatives approached Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz sahab رحمة الله عليه Hazrat Shah Ghulam Ali sahab رحمة الله عليه (2) and other Mashaikh. All of them did Amaliyat, Taweezat , Ruqya.. yet his condition did not improve.

Incidentally Hazrat Shah Abdul Qadir sahab رحمة الله عليه wasn’t residing in Delhi at that time. When Hazrat Shah sahab رحمة الله عليه reached Delhi, they approached him as well. Hazrat رحمة الله عليه did Amaliyat and he became well on that day itself.

When Hazrat Shah Abdul Aziz sahab رحمة الله عليه came to know of it he inquired Hazrat Shah sahab “ Miyan Abdul Qadir which Amal did you work..”. He replied “Hazrat I had only recited Al Hamd (Surah Fatihah)”.

Hazrat Shah sahab inquired “using any special method..?” and Hazrat Shah Abdul Qadir sahab رحمة الله عليه replied “There wasn’t any special method, only that I recited it in the Glory of Ya Jabbar”.

( I inqured Khan sahab the meaning of this statement, he replied saying even I did not understand, the narrators had used the same words.)

Commentary of Anecdote 41: I did not understand the meaning:-

The cursory meaning that comes to the mind of this lowly self which I admit in the line of probability is that there is a station amongst “Kamileen” (The accomplished ones) known as “Abu Al Waqt” that they are able to descend upon themselves whichever “Tajalli” (divine manifestation) they so wish, at any given time. As I heard from murshidi رحمة الله عليه ( Hazrat Haji Imdadullah Muhajir Makki رحمة الله عليه ) .

So it wouldn’t be surprising that Hazrat Shah sahab رحمة الله عليه would have descended the “Tajalli” of “Jabbar” upon himself and using the manifestation of which gave “Tawajjuh” (Spiritual concentration/effect) warding off the Jinn through it. End. ( as written in Ameer Al Riwayat) (3)

END


Reference marked.

1.Hazrat Ameer shah Khan sahab Khurjauri رحمة الله عليه who was amongst the close people of Hazrat Maulana Muhammed Qasim Nanotawi رحمة الله عليه and was a renowned personality of his time. He was endowed with trust and affection of the Mashaikh of his time & was known for his skill to memorize and relate with caution.

2.Hazrat Shah Ghulam Ali Dehlawi رحمة الله عليه was amongst the Shaikh ul Mashaikh of the time, Khalifa of Hazrat Shah Mirza Mazhar Janjan رحمة الله عليه the great Naqshbandi Mujaddidi Shaikh.

3.The books Arwah e Thalithah is a compilation of three books- Ameer ur Riwayat by Hazrat Ameer Shah Khan sahab رحمة الله عليه, Riwayat ut’Tayyib By Hazrat Maulana Muhammed Tayyib sahab رحمة الله عليه & Ashraf ut’Tanbih, the Malfuzaat of Hakeem ul ummat Hazrat Thanwi رحمة الله عليه.

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Now lets come to our discussion... what we learn from above..

1. The Mashaikh.. ulema.. Muhadditheen also practised Amaliyat.. did Taweezat and Ruqya..

2. There is No hard and fast rule that one can be cured by each and every Kamil or Amil.. like specialists..each one has a different skill & specialty of their own..

3. The effect in Ruqya varies from person to person.. depending upon the skills of the Amil.. see the Mashaikh who tried to ward off the Jinn were not ordinary people.. great Mashaikh and Amils of the time..and they blew over using their methods, did Taweezat etc.. yet it did NOT work.. in contrast to what mufti sahab has laid his criteria as anyone can blow over and ward of jinnat while sitting at home..just that he does not chew tobacco and be a five times namazi or Tableeghi who has spent 1 year in jamaat.. Listen


So we know now that there is a Skill involved Even in blowing Surah Fatihah


Now listen to what this Mufti says..

"surah fatihah padhke phoonk marne me kaunsa bada fun chahiye.."

what great skill does it require to recite surah fatihah and blow over (link)

Mufti sahab.. if u dont know about Amaliyat kindly do not speak on the matter.

duas..

wa Assalam..
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#264 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:39
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its a Pain to listen to this man again.. as u said HERE he should be contacted for the wrong he did.. kindly take the initiative and raise these issues with him.
duas..

wa Assalam..
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#265 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:43
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20:50 bohat hwa to kisi k paas chle gye k dam kr dya krain is pe, Kisi molwi sahab ne paani pe dam kr k dai dya yaa aap ne phook lagaa di. Itna kaafi hai. Theek ho gy thek hai. . ni hwa apne aap ko agar amilo k pas le kr gye theek to phir bhi ni ho ga. Waqti ho gaa aik dam set fit aglay din us say bari churail chari hwi ho ge uspe.

YOU YOURSELF ARE MAKING FOOL OF YOURSELF. AS YOU HAVE ONLY PARTIAL KNOWLEDGE OF DEEN THATS WHY I THINK YOU ARE NOT GETTING A SIMPLE POINT.
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#266 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:53
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I find it very strange how u have been constantly changing ur stance since the beginning of this thread.. sad..
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#267 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 20:55
Performing amaliyaat and doing taweez is something else and taking it as a profession is something else.
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#268 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 21:03

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Bayan:

08:48:

Bhai kya hogaya kis tarah se main samjhaun.. ye baat main ghol ke dimagh me utarun.. to in ruhani ilaaj walon ko khwa vo kitne hi buzurg ho.. ye buzurg ho sakte hain nek ho sakte hain Thajjud guzaar bhi hosakte hain.. Allah wale bhi hosakte hain.. baaz taweez ke paise bhi nahin lete Ruhani ilaaj se.. balke paise dete bhi nahin.. sab kuch hosakte hai.. Magar pagal saare hote hain.. ye bata doon aap ko..

Translation:

Brother, what has happened.. How shall I make you understand?. How do I stir this matter in your minds. That those who practice Ruhani Ilaaj (Amaliyat), Howsoever Buzurg they might be. They could be Buzurg, They could be Pious.. Those who pray Tahajjud. They could be Ahlullah. Some even do not take any money for spiritual treatment or may even give money. All such are possible. Yet All of them are Lunatics. iam making this clear.

Deduction:

  1. Person can be  Buzurg
  2. Person can be pious
  3. Person can be regular in Tahajjud
  4. Person offer their Services FREE OF CHARGE
  5. People may even offer MONEY

Where did you deduce Professional from this list?

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#269 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 21:11
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SINCE THE START OF THE THREAD I HAVE BEEN CRYING THAT THE BAYAN IS CLEARLY ABOUT PROFESSIONAL AMILS. DOING RUQYA IS JAAIZ, DOING TAWEEZ IS JAAIZ DOING DAM IS JAAI. Can you prove from any of my post or the byan of Mufti sahab that he called these things na jaaiz and haram? Yes doing taweez isn't preferred. But no one called it na jaaiz. MUFTI SAHAB HIMSELF SHARED HIS EXPERIENCE WITH JINN. BUT STILL YOU CAN'T GET THAT SIMPLE POINT?

And why your fatwa is running just behind JUST mufti sahb? What about Sheikh Zulfiqaar Ahmed db who clearly said in his bayan:
Magr amileen k paas jao to wo to bs keh daity hain k kisi ne kuch kr dya hai. Allah in aamileen se bachay. Hamaray Hazrat frmaya karty thai k amil na bnna kaamil bnna
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#270 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2015 21:12
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Answered in post 260
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