Abdullah1 wrote:
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08:48:
Bhai kya hogaya kis tarah se main samjhaun.. ye baat main ghol ke dimagh me utarun.. to in ruhani ilaaj walon ko khwa vo kitne hi buzurg ho.. ye buzurg ho sakte hain nek ho sakte hain Thajjud guzaar bhi hosakte hain.. Allah wale bhi hosakte hain.. baaz taweez ke paise bhi nahin lete Ruhani ilaaj se.. balke paise dete bhi nahin.. sab kuch hosakte hai.. Magar pagal saare hote hain.. ye bata doon aap ko..
Translation:
Brother, what has happened.. How shall I make you understand?. How do I stir this matter in your minds. That those who practice Ruhani Ilaaj (Amaliyat), Howsoever Buzurg they might be. They could be Buzurg, They could be Pious.. Those who pray Tahajjud. They could be Ahlullah. Some even do not take any money for spiritual treatment or may even give money. All such are possible. Yet All of them are Lunatics. iam making this clear.
Suggestion:
- So far your defence is that he is not calling Ahlullah Lunatics but the issue needs to be placed in CONTEXT
I accept
- What I am then asking you further is isn’t this what Maulana Maududi (RA) and Jamaat-e-Islami has been saying for 30 years?
I am stupid, I am dumb whatever (and worse), why do you then strip the CONTEXT from the words of Maulana Maududi (RA), you posted 2 days ago in that thread.
To remind you and to Jog your memory here is your own post.
This is pretty much the same point in Urdu so you can't say that you are having difficulties getting the point in English:
کسی شرابی Ú©Ùˆ اÛÙ„ الله کهنا سیدها سیدها قرآن Ú©Û’ ساته غداری ÛÛ’. شرابی کبابی اÛÙ„ الله نهیں اÛÙ„ شیطان ÛÛ’
اÛÙ„ الله تو انبیاء صØابه اور اولیاء Ø§Ù„Ù„Û Ûوتے Ûیں. ان میں سے کسی ایک کا نام Ù„Û’ کر ÛŒÛ Ùتوی پڑهیں اور بتائیں ایمان Ú©ÛŒ کیا Øالت ÛÛ’ØŸ
اگر آپ کونٹکس Ú©ÛŒ بات کرتے Ûیں تو مولانا مودودی اور جماعت اسلامی بهی تو تیس سال سے کونٹکس کونٹکس کر رÛÛ’ Ûیں، ان Ú©ÛŒ بات کیوں نهیں مانتے؟ مولانا یوس٠لدهیانوی لکهتے Ûیں Ú©Û Ú©ÙˆÙ†Ù¹Ú©Ø³ چهوڑیں اور ان سارے Øوالوں میں مولانا مودودی Ú©ÛŒ ÙˆØ§Ù„Ø¯Û Ú©Ø§ نام لکهیں...ÛÙ… Ú©Ûتے Ûیں کونٹکس چهوڑیں اور اÛÙ„ الله Ú©ÛŒ جگه اپنی پسند Ú©ÛŒ کسی ایک صØابی کا نام لگا کر ÛŒÛ Ø§Ù„Ùاظ بولیں
- Calling me STUPID doesn't rescue you from the hole which you have dug for yourself
- Calling me THICK doesn't rescue you from the hole which you have dug for yourself
- Clicking DISLIKE doesn't rescue you from the hole which you have dug for yourself
Just shows that you have no answer for the matter.
Abdullah (RA): The Sahabi who drank Alcohol:
This Sahabi had some unusual behaviour and characteristics clearly evidence from his Nickname. I will NOT disrespect the Sahabi by saying anything further but reading the Hadeeth should clarify you of the matter.
Narrated `Umar bin Al-Khattab:
During the lifetime of the Prophet (ï·º) there was a man called `Abdullah whose nickname was Donkey, and he used to make Allah's Messenger (ï·º) laugh. The Prophet (ï·º) lashed him because of drinking (alcohol). And one-day he was brought to the Prophet (ï·º) on the same charge and was lashed. On that, a man among the people said, "O Allah, curse him ! How frequently he has been brought (to the Prophet (ï·º) on such a charge)!" The Prophet (ï·º) said, "Do not curse him, for by Allah, I know for he loves Allah and His Apostle."
Øَدَّثَنَا ÙŠÙŽØْيَى بْن٠بÙكَيْرÙØŒ ØَدَّثَنÙÙŠ اللَّيْثÙØŒ قَالَ ØَدَّثَنÙÙŠ خَالÙد٠بْن٠يَزÙيدَ، عَنْ سَعÙيد٠بْن٠أَبÙÙŠ Ù‡ÙلاَلÙØŒ عَنْ زَيْد٠بْن٠أَسْلَمَ، عَنْ أَبÙيهÙØŒ عَنْ عÙمَرَ بْن٠الْخَطَّابÙØŒ أَنَّ رَجÙلاً، عَلَى عَهْد٠النَّبÙيّ٠صلى الله عليه وسلم كَانَ اسْمÙه٠عَبْدَ اللَّهÙØŒ وَكَانَ ÙŠÙلَقَّب٠ØÙمَارًا، وَكَانَ ÙŠÙضْØÙك٠رَسÙولَ اللَّه٠صلى الله عليه وسلم، وَكَانَ النَّبÙيّ٠صلى الله عليه وسلم قَدْ جَلَدَه٠ÙÙÙŠ الشَّرَابÙØŒ ÙÙŽØ£ÙتÙÙŠÙŽ بÙه٠يَوْمًا Ùَأَمَرَ بÙÙ‡Ù ÙَجÙÙ„Ùدَ، Ùَقَالَ رَجÙÙ„ÙŒ Ù…ÙÙ†ÙŽ الْقَوْم٠اللَّهÙمَّ الْعَنْه٠مَا أَكْثَرَ مَا ÙŠÙؤْتَى بÙÙ‡Ù. Ùَقَالَ النَّبÙيّ٠صلى الله عليه وسلم " لاَ تَلْعَنÙوهÙØŒ Ùَوَاللَّه٠مَا عَلÙمْت٠أَنَّه٠يÙØÙبّ٠اللَّهَ وَرَسÙولَه٠".
Once you all can understand the simple point that it is DISRESPECTFUL to call Ahlullah, Lunartics we can begin the actual discussion on the technical aspects of his answer.