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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 12:39
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Double facepalm.

This just goes to show your (and I quote you) "lack of intellectual depth". It's difficult to (and i quote you) "bring myself DOWN to your level of intellect". And to think that you're not a layman? The irony is that while you degrade yourself you're able to insult the intelligence of others, like calling that poor brother "concerned" a fool and all sorts of other derogatory names in that other thread on Mufti Menk. Funny enough your chamchas were nowhere to be seen there expressing outrage and reprimanding you for your insults and defending the honour of that brother.

Let me break it to you again in short sentences this time so you have a better chance of understanding what I've been saying.

You are a layman, believe it or not. You are only qualified for Taqleed. You need to respect all the opinions of authentic Ulama. Respect both sides of the moon-sighting issue. Respect both sides of the photos issue. Respect both sides of any other issue where the Ulama hold conflicting positions. Adopt one position but don't criticize the other opinion also held by authentic Ulama.

Basically, don't be a bigot. Don't be a keyboard Mujtahid. Don't pick and choose which difference of opinions you're going to respect and regard as valid.

They're all valid as long as they're held by authentic Ulama.

IS YOU GETTING IT?
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 12:58
So many guest posts, it's hard to tell whose who!

Why not come out of the veil and stop being a chamchi (lol, I actually goggled chamcha and saw it's definition in the urban dictionary, so I guess the veil goes well with the chamchi )

Put a name to the posts to make life just that little bit easier.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 14:26

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Not Relevant: Just try spellchecking before posting and it will be great help. I understand that Grammar maybe beyond your grasp.

Context:  Concerned is a person who slandered “Ulama” and if his opinions are taken on face value, laymen would be freemixing (Hamza Yusuf) listening to Music (Shaykh Judai)and following Mufti Abu Layth. But I guess, I think that your heart is so filled with my hatred that you are willing to overlook all of those possibilities. 

Relevant: Since you are in a position to judge me, I am assuming that you are intellectually superior and able to answer. Let me know whenever you wish to discuss the topic.

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 15:08
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I agree, a lot has been said in ways where it could be improved. Post(s) were removed, however, some were more beneficial than others, educational and eye-opening.

We all agree with differences of opinions, but when there is blatant evidence of misrepresentation, then things are discussed to correct the view of others or errors of scholars are looked into. This does not mean we should start to ridicule them or members supporting them, rather we should educate them with the evidence of other reputable scholars.

Saudi is known to have their own school of thought, be it Salafi, Hanbali, Albani or whatever and we have to respect that, but no school of thought promotes lying and deception. If the Qadhi is at fault, then that's their issue. But for those who know with evidence of the falsehood, should not follow lies. It is these people who are causing disunity.

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Agreed, but the issue in many cases is due to falsehood and miracles :)
These authentic Ulama also say that we in the UK should not follow Saudi for obvious reasons! So why the double standards?


PLEASE DO NOT MIX THREADS UP - Stick to the current topic and if one is unable to post in that section, sign up or remain a silent reader please.
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 15:53

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Because you cannot win against Hate. There is no other reason for opposition.

Hate is not logical, it’s just raw poison which sullies the heart.

You can go from ZERO to HERO in five minutes by stating Hazrat (XYZ) parked incorrectly in front of the Masjid. His Mureeds will hate you with all their heart (they may not say it) but they will internalise the statement that this person is a hater of Ulama and Mashaykh.

Some of you may find what I am saying bizarre but this is ABSOLUTELY THE REASON for not going away from Saudi Moonsighting because some very big Hazrats will have to backtrack on their stance.

When you sit and associate with the Sufees, you realise how far Hazrat worship has penetrated and how deeply it is penetrated. Their whole Islam is based upon their (perceived) opinion of someone towards their Shaykh.

Just like Fajar Salah (issue) it will take someone like Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) to break the deadlock and then laymen (Sufees) will begin to switch.  That is why such Ulama are under immense and intense pressure NOT to make any statements on Moonsighting because what he (HA) did with Fajar cannot be allowed to happen again!  There are gigantic ramifications amongst British Deobandi Sufees regarding Fajar Salah and the enormity of Leicester decision cannot be underestimated.

There is almost ZERO support amongst Deobandi Ulama for Saudi Moonsighting, they all know the issue, they are aware of the Fatawa. This isn’t an issue of Fiqh (at all).

When I speak about Sufees, I don’t speak with hatred but I merely quote the facts. When you read scientific studies about “cults” and you experience “cults”, you realise that these are not bad or nasty people…Then one day Allah Ta’ala opens their heart and then analyse their own shortcomings.

In Bosnia, neighbours who lived alongside Muslims (for generations) one day raped their neighbours because the propaganda because so intense they couldn’t think straight. Some of these people later killed themselves. There are (Ex-Sufees) and (Ex-Salafees) who leave Islam (even) when they wake up and realise things about their past life.

It’s not the fault of innocent Muslim (men and women). People are generally good (by nature), they just simply become tribal and exhibit certain behaviours.

It takes some very serious GUTS to think (analytically) and differ with people. It takes NOTHING to conform and just go along.

That is why there is great reward for standing for the truth. You will be personally targeted, abused and savaged.

You will witness HATE like you have never witnessed before.

I have worked with Ulama extensively and they have praised me tremendously and they have laughed off what I do (as eccentric or funny). Their behaviour completely changes when they find out two things about me:

  1. My Ex-Shaykh
  2. My stance on Moonsighting

Nothing else, my behaviour doesn’t change and my attitude remains the same. Just two (facts) come to their attention.

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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 14th July 2017 18:52
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When you sit and associate with the Sufees, you realise how far Hazrat worship has penetrated and how deeply it is penetrated. Their whole Islam is based upon their (perceived) opinion of someone towards their Shaykh.


Nothing wrong there.

If you are start listening to logics, you will be sufee in the morning and salafi in the evening, barelvi in mid of night and may be an athiest the next morning.

Let there be late response, and leave the decisions to their shaykhs and avoid independent decisions.
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