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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 14:18

LAHORE: In a worrying development, Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries have rejected the century-old postgraduate degree programme of Pakistan — MS (Master of Surgery) and MD (Doctor of Medicine) — removing it from the eligibility list of the highest paid tier.

This decision has reportedly rendered hundreds of highly qualified medics jobless. A majority of them are in Saudi Arabia who have been told to leave or be ready for deportation.

Rejecting Pakistan’s MS/MD degree, the Saudi ministry of health claimed it lacked structured training programme, a mandatory requirement to hire medics against important positions. After the Saudi move, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain also took the similar step.

Most of the affected doctors were hired by a team of the Saudi health ministry in 2016 when it conducted interviews in Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad after inviting applications online.

One of the affected doctors told Dawn the decision had brought embarrassment for them since the same degree programme offered by India, Egypt, Sudan and Bangladesh was acceptable in Saudi Arabia and other countries.

Degree programme lacks mandatory training, says Saudi health ministry; affected doctors blame CPSP for their plight

This correspondent has obtained copies of service termination letters of several doctors issued by the Saudi Commission for Health Specialties (SCFHS).

“Your application for professional qualification has been rejected. Reason is that your master degree from Pakistan is not acceptable according to the SCFHS regulations,” reads a letter.

Some of the affected doctors and senior health officials in Pakistan blame the College of Physicians and Surgeons Pakistan (CPSP) for damaging their career.

A spokesperson for the Association of University Physicians and Surgeons Pakistan, Dr Asad Noor Mirza, takes it as a setback for Pakistan’s major degree qualification and disrespect to the highly qualified cream of the nation.

He claimed that CPSP delegations during recent visits to Saudi Arabia and some Gulf states had presented distorted facts about Pakistan’s university programme to maintain monopoly of the CPSP-sponsored FCPS qualification.

Mr Noor told Dawn Pakistan had to face a huge loss of foreign remittance in addition to sufferings of the medics in the form of joblessness.

Talking to this correspondent from Saudi Arabia on phone, Dr Ali Usman, an affected medic, said, “I had done five-year postgraduate qualification from the University of Health Sciences, Lahore, with training from Lahore General Hospital... But all of a sudden the Saudi health ministry terminated my job contract, landing me and my family in immense shock.”

Dr Usman said when he contacted Director General of Collaboration Department, Saudi Arabia, Saeedul Barki, he told him that his qualification was rejected when the CPSP delegation told the authorities that there was no training-based post-graduate medical degree in Pakistan, except FCPS. Mr Barki said the CPSP president held multiple meetings with relevant officials in Saudi Arabia and asked the authorities to consider only FCSP qualified Pakistani medics for jobs here.

He said the CPSP had misled the SCFHS ignoring the fact that Pakistan’s university degree qualification was a structured training programme.

University of Health Sciences Vice Chancellor Prof Dr Javed Akram dispelled the impression that the MS/MD programme was not a structured training qualification.

“The MS/MD programme was started in 1914 and the first MS degree was awarded to G.B. Kapoor from Punjab University,” he said.

“The MS/MD degrees have been declared a five-year level-III research and clinical qualification by the Pakistan Medical and Dental Council,” he said.

“The MS and MD degrees are enriched with dynamic, congruent and structured curriculum comprising clinical and research component at par excellence of international standards designed by the World Federation of Medical Education,” Prof Akram said.

He said the University of Health Sciences and many senior medical experts from all over the country had recently took up the issue of termination of jobs of Pakistani medics and also talked to the SCFHS.

According to official figures, currently 4,440 postgraduates are serving at various government and private medical institutions in Pakistan. Of them, 102 are teaching as faculty members in senior positions.

CPSP president Prof Dr Zafarullah Chaudhry could not be contacted for comments despite attempts. However, Dean (academics) of the CPSP, Prof Dr Ghulam Mustafa Arain, rejected the allegations levelled by the affected doctors and said the CPSP representatives had been promoting FCPS qualification during visits abroad to create a good image of Pakistan in the field of medical education.

However, he added, “the CPSP can’t think of degrading any medical education programme of Pakistan abroad”.

Secretary of the Specialised Healthcare and Medical Education Department, Punjab, Momin Agha, said they had taken up the issue with provincial Health Minister Dr Yasmin Rashid. He said after deliberations, it had been unanimously decided to hand over the matter to the medical education committee which was looking after under-graduate and post-graduate degree programmes.

The committee comprising senior medical teachers of high repute would examine the issue in respect of reforms in the MS/MD qualification, if needed, to meet the international requirements.

“It is clear that the MS/MD qualification is a structured degree programme which meets all job requirements locally and internationally,” Mr Agha said.

He said the local health authorities would take up the matter with health managers in the Arab countries.

Published in Dawn, August 7th, 2019

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 17:53
Let me guess they are gonna replace the Pakistani doctors...with Indian Doctors to appease their master modi.

I presume next step will be to a wholesale deportation of all Pakistani workers.





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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 17:58
Yes...

But why should they have any respect for Pakistan and Pakistani,s who always beg them for money and asks for oil on deferred payments, while Modi,s India is a trading partner ?

Who would respect a country whose ex-prime minister was an ‘iqama holder’ in their country,while still in office, whose acting defence minister worked as a consultant to a firm in their country, whose ex-Interior minister held a low key job in their country for Iqama, while still in office , Whose ex-president laundered money through their banks ?

I don’t blame them entirely for looking down upon the whole Pakistani nation for having such leaders :(
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 18:10
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Lol 'no honour among thieves '. Both nations make me sick. They compete with one another who can be the biggest betrayers of Islam and Muslims and being americas biggest poodle. Il be happy the day both nations r completely wiped from the planet. Both sit on their backsides when next door Muslim in Palestine Syria China kashmire burma burn
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 18:56
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You seriously telling me the timing of this is just a coincudence?

Nothing to do with offering support to Modi for his genocide in Kashmir?

If we are going to use that logic why should Saudi Arabia and other countries defend and support Islam or muslims...? After all the progress they have made in recent years is through western technology and expertise. Why should they put the sentiments of backward muslims before..There warm and friendly relationship trade relationships with the west and India.?

What is the point of having all these Mullahs from the Sub-continent in the gulf states they are nothing but a symbol of backwardness?....Maybe the Saudis should follow the path of progress and give positions of religious leadership to Hindu and Christian priests.

Seriously...?

La Hawla Wala Quwwata Illah Billah.

The question you should be asking is why should the Ummah respect these Munafiq leaders of the Muslim world...?


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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:06
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That was a general comment...

But No, it is not connected to the current issue of attempted annexation of Kashmir. Saudi Arabia have too many interests connected to Pakistan, if they don’t go with Pakistan, they will certainly not go against Pakistan...

It looks like a professional decision and they may not be genuinely satisfied with the training level of MD degree holders...

In Pakistan MD is not the same thing as MD in India. It is FCPS which is considered a genuine post graduate degree in Pakistan,even by Pakistani,s.

So no foul play in this case,InshaAllah
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:08
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I put it to you it is 100% connected.



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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:13
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Fine sir, your political wisdom is far superior than mine. You must have a good reason for being so sure about it. If that is the case, it is BAD on their part. May Allah swt give them true Islamic spirit. Amin
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:25
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(1) It was not a unilateral decision by Saudi Arabia. Other Gulf Arab countries have followed suit. Conicidentally the same countries bombing Yemen to smithereens and incensed that Pakistan refused to participate.

(2) After decades of considering Pakistan Medical degrees and Doctors to be of an acceptable level. Suddenly they decide to withdraw their recognition. At this particular time that speaks for itself.

(3) It contradicts your earlier statement Of Indian of offering benefits but Pakistan offering none in form of trade.

They have already gone against Pakistan and the entire Ummah. Concerning their tacit approval of Indian policies in Kashmir.

(4) It is not an "attempted" anexation by idea....But infact it is an anexation. They fate of Kashmiris will be that of the Palestinians.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:45
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All are genuine points, Jazakallah khaira...

If it is ‘bad memory’ of Pakistan refusing in Yemen, then their response time is a bit too prolonged. Many good things happened after that, at least between Saudi and Pakistan, including the visit of saudi crown prince to pakistan, even declaring himself as ‘ambassador’ of pakistan in saudi :)

Well, we can say those were mere words, they do utter such words in Diplomacy...

UAE, on the other hand, has become openly negative towards Pakistan after that ‘Yemen incident’ and enhanced its ties with India many folds to punish Pakistan.

I called it ‘attempted’ annexation because i anticipate a lot more to come, not from Pakistani government but from those who believe that the first and the last decision comes from Allah swt NOT from Modi....
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 19:55
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The Tyrant Prince of Saudi Arabia straight after his visit to Pakistan. Went to India and called Modi his brother and lavished him and his government with praise.

MBS policies and action speaks for itself. Thats why both Netanyahu and Zionist organisation of America have praised him and support him. He is busy organising Rock Concerts and imprisoning Ulemah...This guy is a clear and open enemy of the deen.

The land of Jerusalem of Masjid Al Aqsa was annexed whilst the Ummah watched...Kashmir is being annexed as we speak thats a fact.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 20:07
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لا غالب الا الله

Things are fast moving towards a final outcome. Right now people are being sorted out into two camps. We may win or loss battles, but the final punch is ours...

In the meanwhile we are getting good compulsory training. We are obviously not yet ready, so incidents will happen, we must pass through hardships to become tough, we must get used to the pain of separation from loved one,s ,so that we go beyond pain, we must be dislodged from the comforts of our families and homes, so that we learn to control the ‘pleasure of attachments’....

InshaAllah, we are in the process of learning, we will learn more, till we are ready....
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 9th August 2019 20:29
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Muslims have been saying this since the downfall of spain.

Incidentally the most common inscription at the al hambra palace is.

La Ghalib Illalah.

ALLAH alone knows best when the Mahdi will appear. That could be thousands of years away.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 10th August 2019 02:00
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Mahdi apart, there are laws of Allah swt applied to the rise and fall of nations in this world.

إِن يَمْسَسْكُمْ قَرْحٌ فَقَدْ مَسَّ ٱلْقَوْمَ قَرْحٌ مِّثْلُهُۥ ۚ وَتِلْكَ ٱلْأَيَّامُ نُدَاوِلُهَا بَيْنَ ٱلنَّاسِ وَلِيَعْلَمَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَيَتَّخِذَ مِنكُمْ شُهَدَآءَ ۗ وَٱللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ ٱلظَّٰلِمِينَ

( آل عمران)

( If a wound hath touched you, be sure a similar wound hath touched the others. Such days (of varying fortunes) We give to men and men by turns: that Allah may know those that believe, and that He may take to Himself from your ranks Martyr-witnesses (to Truth). And Allah loveth not those that do wrong.)

The same Hindus persecuting us today were once being ruled by us, and the same Christians dominating us today were once dominated by us. InshaAllah things will change, irrespective of Mahdi coming tomorrow or a thousand years from now...
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 10th August 2019 08:17
Pure saudi locals who are at the receiving end.

Indian and Pakistani doctors are serving them professionally. Many Indian doctors are also leaving because salaries are halved. Heavy taxes on migrant families. They are not happy.

Regarding Imam Mahdi, mufti sab says, all signs have arrived.
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