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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2017 14:48
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Read what I have typed carefully. You are jumping quickly.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2017 22:33
JUH is the only Muslim body able to raise its voice effectively and make politicians listen or at least notice.

JUH is today what it is because of the sacrifice and ikhlas of its founders, past and present leaders and volunteers.
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 06:18
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There are two aspects to Saudi arab.ONE is the religious significance of haramain & Hijaz being the birth place of Islam and, SECOND,Saudi as a medren nation state. As for Saudi royal family,they may very well like their KING to be considered sort of AMIRUL MOMININ,but few Muslims will be ready to give them such a status.The role of Saudi Arabia as a modern Muslim Arab nation state is well established and significant (mostly because of their enormous wealth and their capability of soft power projection).

As a nation state,Saudi governments play their cards according to their policies,they need a stable government,safe borders,a positive image abroad,a dynamic foreign policy and economic prosperity.

The TWIN roles of Saudi government not always go together in perfect harmony,and sometimes (or most of the times) they prefer to follow their national or family interests more than anything else and hence attract widespread criticism.

In case of Yemen,for example,they acted in national interest to avoid encirclement by an aggressive,ultra-conservative Shia regimen in Iran.Saudis could nderstand that the events in the region were not in their favour,Iraq becoming an Iranian pupit,failaure to remove bashar from Syria,a powerful Shi’a militia Hizbullah in Lebanon..and now Shia insurgency in Yemen coupled with increasingly uneasy Shi’a population in eastern Saudi Arabia....a recipe for perfect disaster !
Iran had successfully created an arc of anarchy in the region around Saudi Arabia and was now trying to create destabilisation right on its borders with Yemen.

A ‘nation state’ was expected to do what it did and started a devastating war in Yemen.

My point is this,why expect a ‘Khalifa like attitude’ from a king ?

Despite all our disagreements with Saudi royal family,they seem to be firmly entrenched in power,any change,if there is any change expected,will come from within the royal family ( who would not be so pious either) or the country would plunge into a deep chaos like Libya,every city having a different war lord ruling it.Do we gain any thing from such a situation ?

I am not sure but may be the scholars around the world (including the Indian scholars discussed here) are showing restraint keeping the whole emerging scenarios in mind ?
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 07:13
Let us assume that we all agree Saudi royal family is no good,and should be removed from power. How do we go about it ?

Someone from within the royal family removes the current king and the crown prince through ‘palace intrigue’.It is possible,but can we expect any significant change in Saudi policies with change of faces ? Hardly. It is true that Allah swt created Syedena Umar Ibne Abdul Aziz in Banu umayya and the same Allah can do it again...but we can’t predict it.

A military coup can be another possibility,though a very remote one.Royal family has extremely powerful grip on power from gross to micro level.Even if a military coup is successful,it will be like changing an old tyrant with a new one.

Popular uprising like Tunisia,Egypt,Syria,Libya ? Another Arab spring ? Did it give any positive results in the countries mentioned above that we should wish it for Saudi Arabia ? The west would love to see it repeated again and again..but why try something which has devastated so many other countries ?

Any other options to change the regime in Saudi Arabia without causing widespread chaos in the whole region ???

What Salman Nadvi db was writing is right but what Arshad Madani is doing is based on ground realities. We don’t ‘destroy’ before we have a map for reconstruction.
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 10:42
Bismillah
If we take the point that ulema are not condemning Saudi to avoid chaos, Maulana Arshad Madani could at least remain silent like other ulema right? Why should he openly praise Saudi when it is not working for the welfare of Muslim Ummah and in fact quite oppressive siding with our enemies? Allahu alam
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 11:02
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Agreed
He should have kept silent instead of praising the tyrant.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 11:06
Allah helped them through Petrol. Their body language says "Petrol is gone, barakah is gone, let us earn ourselves like the other capitalist world does.
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The new city will not follow the rules and regulations enforced in the rest of Saudi Arabia, which imposes sharia law

It will offer residents a more liberal lifestyle, allowing musical concerts and entertainment in a remote corner of the desert kingdom. Saudi Arabia has already started to relax some long-standing rules, including what was an effective ban on women driving.

Prince Mohammed said the name mixed "neo", meaning new, with M, the first letter of the Arabic word for future.

"The idea is not to restructure the economy as much as to seize the opportunities available that we didn't address before. We have high capacity and we use only a little," Prince Mohammed said.

"I do think there is a desire within significant parts of Saudi society to move away from rigid, old-school Wahhabi control of social behaviour and the public sphere," said Steffen Hertog of the London School of Economics."So I don't think the Crown Prince's statements are just for show. He genuinely wants to harness these sentiments and has undertaken very significant steps, including allowing women to drive and severely curtailing the powers of the religious police."
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 12:54

AH3 to discuss future of film industry in Saudi Arabia


On Sunday, Nov. 12, the “Alf Khair” social enterprise will hold its third “Alf Hewar” forum entitled “Film and Production: From Viewer to Film-maker. The forum revolves around the future of the film and cinema industry in Saudi Arabia, in light of the new changes witnessed by the Kingdom with the entry of cinemas as an essential part of entertainment.

This meeting will be held at the Apex Exhibition and Convention Center, at the King Abdullah Petroleum Studies and Research Center.

The main event will be a discussion with the following speakers: Colin Vains, a British film producer and Emmy Award winner; his films include Gangs of New York, The Rum Diary, and the Young Victoria. He will be paired with two Saudi talents, who have succeeded in the film industry and YouTube; namely Ali Al-Kalthami, Saudi director, producer, writer and founding partner of Telfaz 11 and C3 films; and Ahd Kamel, Saudi actress, director and author, who co-starred in the movie “Wadjda” and received the first Gold Award in Beirut International Festival 2012 for her movie “AlGondorji”, which was written and directed by her. Fatima Al-Banawi, the social worker, actress and star of the movie “Barakah Meets Barakah”, which won the award for best film at the Berlin Film Festival 2016 will moderate the coversation.

Alf Hewar will be attended by many distinguished producers, directors, experts and stakeholders in the film industry from Saudi Arabia and abroad. The aim is to encourage dialogue around this budding industry and discuss the methods to enhance national film production to place Saudi Arabia on the international scene.

Ms. Abeer Al-Fouti, chief operating officer at “Alf Khair”, explains that this event comes after the success of the previous two events organized by the company; the first event was about apps and design, while the second was about food and beverage. She indicated that these discussions fit perfectly in the framework of Alf Khair’s mission to provide access to opportunity. This platform supports and facilitates the work of young Saudi entrepreneurs in various fields, by highlighting their projects and interests, as well as providing support and resources to promote their excellence in the field.

She said: “The cinema is one of the youngest industries in the Kingdom; many film makers have achieved significant successes over the past years despite the absence of the cinema’s genuine role in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It is worth noting that the imminent boom of the film industry will directly contribute to the creation of jobs, attract foreign investment, and help familiarize the world with the features and rich culture this country offers.

“We have witnessed a new birth for the Saudi cinema through movies that were featured in local and international film festivals, some of which have won valuable prizes. Furthermore, the youth of the nation have taken to YouTube to showcase their productions and were met with tremendous success; some of their projects have attained millions of views and massive followings.”

She added: “In addition to filmmakers and specialists from the Kingdom and abroad, we were keen on inviting a select group of those interested in the film industry to attend the forum in order to facilitate dialogue and enrich the debate. We want the meeting to highlight the best methods for developing this new industry in the Kingdom and help guide it to the right track. We also hope the forum sheds light on the industry’s role in disseminating knowledge and raising the cultural level of the recipients as an essential means of entertainment.”

“Alf Khair” has cooperated with important stakeholders from government agencies such as the Ministry of Culture and Information, the General Commission for Audiovisual Media (GCAM), and the Small and Medium Enterprises General Authority (SMEA). This collaboration aims to create a broad base of support that provides opportunities for those interested in film making to train and gain experience. In addition, the “Alf Khair” has also cooperated with supporters and sponsors in the private sector, including Riyad Bank, Aramco, Uber, Tag Heuer and Harbor Holdin
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 14:14
Bismillah

I heard in one of the bayans of sheikh Maulana Abdul Sattar (DB) that there are two aspects that is keeping the Saudi safe from the major calamities as seen in countries: 1) From servant to King, they establish salah and 2) Purdah of women. Allahu alam

I really wish they do not lose some blessings attached to them and then earn the anger of Allah SWT.
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 14:56
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We hear that those two are alive due to law. skeleton..... soul???
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2017 19:19
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not sure where he got this from. i wouldnt say saudis establisb salah more than others if they did the haramain as well as all the other masjids will be constantly rammed.

as for the women just go west london half are dressed skimply. my friend works as uber driver he often picks saudis from niightclubs.
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2017 04:24
Bismillah
I meant inside saudi Arabia. Women are supposed to wear burqa right. They are wearing it willingly or not, this law prevents from many fitna. Just imagine if it turns out like West or other countries. It should be far better in saudi. Allahu alam
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2017 09:34
Let us appreciate the positive contributions by Mad Khalis.

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1979, The year that changed arts and culture in Saudi Arabia



THE present generation may not be aware that Saudi Arabia, the state that has been generally viewed as one of the most conservative countries in the world, was at one time one of the most important countries involved in the promotion of art, music and culture.

This fact may come as a surprise to many, especially when they may come to know about the many female singers Saudi Arabia produced in the past.

These facts relate to the period of Saudi musical renaissance, which is now largely overlooked as it fell into abeyance decades ago, according to an old piece that highlighted the music history in the Kingdom.

This renaissance reached its peak in the 1960s when the musical band of the Saudi army was established. This band was later transformed into an orchestra, which attracted a number of Arab musicians from Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. This fostered a musical revival across the kingdom and several musical bands and singers emerged.

Saudi female singers

Until the end of 1979, the Saudi television aired songs for the Star of the East Umm Kulthoum and other singers like Fayza Ahmad, Samira Toufic, Najat Al-Saghira and Farid Al-Atrach. It also aired Samira Saeeds songs when she first started singing during concerts in the 1970s and when she appeared wearing the Moroccan outfit.

This is in addition to the airing of songs for Saudi folk bands and Saudi female singers like Toha and Ibtisam Lutfi, whom Ahmad Rami called the Star of the Peninsula, and Shadia of the Arabs and whom Riad Al-Sunbati composed songs for.

While checking on sources of the musical heritage in Hejaz, we realized there were many popular women who greatly influenced singing, such as Toha and late singer Saleha Hamdya. Some of these female singers even played music instruments, for example Fatima and Aisha Zaidieh were well-known for playing instruments such as the oud and violin. There were also Saffiya Lobana, Karama Saleh Sultan, Amina Adnya, Saleha Hamdya, Fatima Hamdya, Zeinab Hendaya, Zeinab Rawshna, Fatima Oteibia, Hajya and Fatima Ibrahim Bashit who was the most famous. Shawq, Qamr Al-Taheriya and Fatima Najidya are some of Jeddah’s late female singers.

New reality

The boom of the 1970s period coincided with an increase in oil revenues. At the time, oil was newly discovered and Saudi governments dreamed of developing a state that competes with other Arab republics.

This phase influenced all aspects such as arts, theater, cinema and music. However the Iranian revolution erupted in 1979, which deeply influenced East Saudi Arabia. Another religious movement also emerged out of fear of the Nasserite tide as well as Khomeinis revolution.

The rise of extremism led to change on Nov. 20, 1979, when a group of 200 to 300 young men led by Juhayman Al-Otaybi stormed the Great Mosque in Makkah. The incident lasted for two week and hundreds were killed as a result. Some think this incident brought the curtain down on the era of arts and music in the country, leading to the prevention of women from making public appearances. Following the incident, and in a look like de facto phenomenon, women found themselves prohibited from appearing on television for a short while. Thereafter, they were prevented from appearing on television during the holy month of Ramadan and female singers were completely prohibited from making appearances.

The Sahwa and

Iranian Revolution

Men preaching Islamic teachings found themselves with a free rein. A movement called the Saudi Sahwa emerged and it launched a relentless war between 1980 and 2000 against poets and artists as well as against the cinema, theater and even television in general. This movement was established with the support of a group of clerics following their propagation activities to wake people up from their slumber, as they called it.

Saudi author Abdo Khal said: Before Juhayman, life had a normal trajectory, but after him we witnessed a history full of extremism. Musical instruments were broken and people cheered the breaking of oud instruments. Juhayman was glad that his message had spread. Darkness reigned everywhere. The television was the first to be affected as people woke up to prohibitions that turned the society into a zone that seeks to prohibit all life-like activities
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2017 16:01
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Allama Iqbal writes :

محمّدِ عربی سے ہے عالَمِ عربی

“The importance and significance of Arab nation is due to ‘Muhammad e Arabi “
صَل الله عليه و سلم

The closer they come to the prophet pbuh in ideals and deeds,the higher they go...the more they move away from Him (pbuh) the faster and deeper they fall...

The sooner this lesson is learned,the better. The rise of Arabs is neither in booming economies nor in the cultural traditions of Jahila (including jadeed jahila).Allah swt chose Islam for them, and chose them for Islam. Any deviation from the straight path will be devastating for them...
Nasir in Egypt tried to breakaway from Islamic traditions and history, taking pride in being the ‘son of pharaoh’ and lead his country and the umma in general into utmost humiliation. While his صوت العرب was spreading the waves of nationalistic songs in the air,singing to the tune of Arab arts and culture,the ground was slipping away from under his feet taking him to one of the most humiliating military setbacks in history,the same thing happened to ‘Baathist Syria’,crushing their nationalistic pride and their secular and liberal ideals into dust on Golan heights ( and sinai desert).If we repeat the same mistakes we will meet the same fate . The Message is clear : وَإِنْ عُدتُّمْ عُدْنَا

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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2017 17:30
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What we are today is due to sacrifices of Their forefathers. Let us pray for them, May Allah guide them. Aameen.
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