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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 12:57
To make my position clear, I've never used the word "impermissible" or "Haraam":

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I clearly remember a scholar said (there's a Hadith) that money earned by doing Hijamah is one of the worst incomes.[/quote]

I heard the following Hadith and tried to share the information:

[quote="Taalibah"]The Messenger (saw) said, "The worst of earnings are the wages of a prostitute, the price of a dog and the fee of a cupper." [Muslim, kitaab al-masaaqah 40/1568 (3987) Tirmidhee 1275]


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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 13:10
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The information on the website is not based on any particular following.[/quote]

I couldn't understand sister. Except Imam Nawawi Raheemahullaah, here all are Salafi scholars' opinion:

[quote="Taalibah's link"][al-Nasaa'i (4673), classed as saheeh by Sheikh al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa'i]

These narrations seem contradictory but Imam Nawawi said...........

Sheikh Bin Baz in the explanation of Buloogh al-Maram tape no. 18 said............

Sheikh ibn 'Uthaimeen rahimahullaah said that............

Sheikh Saalih ibn Fawzan was asked regarding the wage of the cupper. He replied that..............

A questioner asker sheikh Zaid al-Madkhali on the earnings of the cupper and he replied.................


I'm not denying anything, just expressing my opinion.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 13:28
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 13:30
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جزاك الله خيرا for your feedback on link provided....unfortunately due to forum rules and regulations, we are unable to discuss respected ulamahs or scholars opinions on differences of opinions. The link was provided simply to provide information on wages of cupper.

As a layperson I'm not in position to give personal opinion, and seems like i have been unaware of whom the narrations have been derived from. Link was provided purely for information purposes.

I have not personally written or quoted any narrations, but simply provided a link. جزاك الله خيرا
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 13:33
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 18:42
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السلام عليكم

It's wrong for you to say that akhii, it's like saying the people from localities who feed you whilst in khurooj want some fiscal or other benefit from you, not always the case akhi.

Kher whatever it is, Allah knows best as He knows the intentions but lets think good and take the good, until the false becomes apparent/evident through actions etc

Walahu'Alam
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 18:46
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Brother, keep making Du'a so that I can meet you. You'll see reality with your own eyes. Didn't you read a post of brother Ahmed Sharif on SF where he wrote his Umrah experience?
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 18:50
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I do understand that racist Arabs exist and have heard loads of stories about them and know several people who have had personal encounters with them too. In fact in this very same group a brother had a nasty encounter with a nasty Arab, I weren't with him at the time, he made fun out of his hearing aid etc

My point is lets still ' try' to see the good, despite the defects.

Hope that' makes sense now as to what I'm trying to get across, if not dont worry about it, remember me in your duas.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 19:00
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Understood.

Sometimes my anger spills out hence I make such pessimistic comments. May Allaah Ta'ala forgive me. Ameen.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 19:07
A reminder for members to stick to the current topic of thread.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 19:48
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You should try cupping inshaAllah.

It could cool down the temper, might cost you though!

But please (to everyone including myself), as the sister suggested, let's keep to the topic.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 21:56


In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful.

With the exception of a few, the position of the overwhelming majority of classical scholars (jumhur) - which includes the four main Schools of Islamic law - is that it is permitted to charge a fee for cupping (hijama), and the earnings of a cupper would be lawful (halal). (Al-Mawsu'a al-Fiqhiyya 18/17, Radd al-Muhtar ala 'l-Durr al-Mukhtar 6/52, Al-Mughni 6/133, & Al-Muntaqa sharh al-Muwatta 4/425)

This view is based on the following hadiths:

1) Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) relates, "The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had cupping performed on him, and he paid the person who cupped him. If it had been unlawful, he would have not paid him." (Sahih al-Bukhari 1997 and Sahih Muslim 1578)

2) Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik relates, "Abu Tayba cupped the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace); so he ordered that a sa' [a specific weight] of dates be given to him, and ordered his owners to reduce his levy." (Sahih al-Bukhari 1996 and Sahih Muslim 1577)

3) Sayyiduna Anas ibn Malik relates, "The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) would be treated with cupping, and he never withheld anyone's wages." (Sahih al-Bukhari 2160)

As such, the position of all four Schools of Islamic law is that it is permitted to charge a fee for cupping, and this includes the Hanbali School according to the more relied-upon and famous opinion within that School. There is, however, another less famous opinion that it is only permitted for a slave and not a free person. Some others said that it is not permitted neither for a slave nor a free person. This position is due to some other hadiths which indicate impermissibility; for example:

1) Sayyiduna Rafi' ibn Khadij (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, "The earnings from [selling] a dog is not pure (khabith), the wages of a prostitute is not pure (khabith), and the income of a cupper is not pure (khabith)." (Sahih Muslim 1568)

2) Ibn Muhayyisa al-Ansari relates from his father that he asked permission from the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to accept payment for cupping, but he refused him from doing so. He continued to ask and seek his permission until he (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, "Feed [of its earnings] your water-carrying camel and your slave." (Sunan Tirmidhi 1277, Musnad Ahmad 5/435, Abu Dawud 3/266 and others)

In explaining the correct context of these hadiths, Imam Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) states:

"The scholars disagreed in relation to the earnings of a cupper. The majority of them, from the early (salaf) as well as later (khalaf) ones, state that the earnings of a cupper and consuming from such earnings is not unlawful - neither for a free person nor a slave. This is the famous (mashhur) opinion of Imam Ahmad [as well]. However, his opinion as narrated in one narration from him - which is [also] the opinion of the jurists from the hadith scholars - is that it is unlawful for a free person but not a slave, and their reliance is on these [above mentioned] and similar hadiths. The majority of the scholars base their opinion on the hadith of Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) that "the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) was cupped, and he paid the person who cupped him. If it had been unlawful, he would not have paid him." (Recorded by Bukhari and Muslim) They [the majority of scholars] understood the hadiths of prohibition to indicate that it is somewhat disliked (makruh tanzih), and that the hadiths encourage abstinence from lowly occupations, and encourage good manners and noble professions. Had it been unlawful [to charge a fee], the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) would not have differentiated between a free person and slave, for it is [generally] impermissible for one to feed one's slave that which is not halal." (Al-Minhaj sharh Sahih Muslim, p: 1199)

Likewise, Imam Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) states in his celebrated Fath al-Bari that the majority of scholars are of the opinion that the income of a cupper is lawful due to the hadith of Abdullah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) recorded by Bukhari [quoted above]; and in it, Abdullah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) refutes those who say the earnings of a cupper is unlawful [when he said, "If it had been unlawful, he would have not paid him"]. As such, although a cupper's profession is unfitting, it is not unlawful; and thus the scholars consider the rebuke in the hadith to indicate somewhat dislike-ness (makruh tanzih). Some scholars are of the opinion that the prohibition is abrogated, some say it is only unlawful for a free person, whilst others say it is only unlawful when the job is not properly defined. (Adapted from Fath al-Bari 4/579)

The great Hanbali jurist, Imam Ibn Qudama (Allah have mercy on him), says that it is permissible to hire a cupper to treat one with cupping, and his earnings are lawful. This is the view of Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Abbas, Imam Malik, Imam Shafi'i and the Hanafis... However, some scholars regard the earnings of a cupper to be impermissible, because the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said, "The earnings of a cupper are evil (khabith)", and he said regarding the earnings of a cupper, "Feed it to your water-carrying camel and your slave." The proof that it is permissible and not unlawful is the hadith narrated by Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) who said, "The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had cupping performed on him, and he paid the person who cupped him. If it had been unlawful, he would have not paid him." As for the Messenger of Allah's (Allah bless him & give him peace) statement "Feed it to your slave", it is [actually] a proof that the cupper's earnings are lawful, because it is not permitted for one to feed one's slave that whose consumption is unlawful... As for terming the earnings as "evil (khabith)", it does not necessarily mean that it is unlawful, because the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) called garlic and onion "khabith" even though they are both lawful. Rather, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) disliked it somewhat for a free person, due to the lowly nature of this profession... There is no clear text from Imam Ahmad (Allah have mercy on him) regarding the prohibition of a cupper's earnings... (Adapted from Al-Mughni 6/133)

In conclusion, there are 'apparently' contradictory hadiths regarding the charging of a fee for cupping others. The overwhelming majority of classical jurists give preference to those that indicate its permissibility; and as such, they agree that it is permissible to charge a fee and that one's income would be halal. As for the hadiths that indicate its impermissibility, they interpret them in the following ways:

1) The hadiths merely show that charging a fee is somewhat disliked and better to avoid; but nevertheless lawful.

2) They merely indicate that the profession of cupping is a lowly profession.

3) They indicate that cupping, by nature, is a voluntary chore; and thus it is best not to charge for it, especially when others are in need.

4) They are in reference to the job of a cupper which is not properly defined, in which case his earnings would be unlawful (haram) due to the uncertainty.

5) The hadiths are abrogated. This was the view of Imam al-Tahawi (Allah have mercy on him).

6) They are in reference to the practice found during the pre-Islamic days of ignorance (jahiliyya) of cupping animals and thereafter selling the blood to those who consumed it.

As such, there is no sin on you if you charge a fee for providing the service of cupping (hijama) to others, and your earnings would be lawful (halal). Moreover, since your service includes patients being seen by a qualified doctor, using clean clinical equipment and other related aspects, it will not even be disliked. It is best, however, if you charge primarily for your time, the doctor's time and the usage of equipment; but offer the very act of cupping free, with the intention of helping others and seeking reward from Allah. But note that even charging for cupping itself is not haram or sinful.

And Allah knows best

[Mufti] Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

Source: islamqa.org/hanafi/daruliftaa/8310
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2014 22:28
Apologies brother Arsalan.

The post came out blank so I had to remove the coding as I don't know what caused the whole post to disappear.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2014 00:46
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No problem akhi.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2014 06:36
Alhamdulillah, i know about a pious a lady who does hijama for stomach ache too.. she herself knows how to do it Masha Allah,
I was told that in hijama its about belief... Faith the more faith u have the better will be the results.. ( one is suposed to have firm faith in Allah that he will be cured)
Another thing which o felt that even if your disease doesnt disappears fully then too one feels a sense of peace andfeels relieved.
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