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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 09:16
Dual citizenship will be a big problem for British muslims. Thank God India doesn't allow dual citizenship.

Shamima Begum was naive when she was 15 and four years later she is still naive. The problem is she doesn't have anyone there to guide her on what to say and not to say to journalists. She is losing PR battle against media and government onslaught.
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 11:26
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She is an experiment for govt. H.O know she is hated and also know she will return. When they do they will change law. They made her apologise for Manchester even though she had nothing to do with it.

My mate told me while back to throw away my nadara card saying if u have that govt can strip me too and say card gives me stay in Pakistan
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 14:10
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At least you would get sent to Pakistan. What's so bad about that? Sell everything here. Buy a villa in pak. Open an English language school. Eat desi murghi every day.

Gujjis will get sent to India. Eat meat and get lynched for desecrating a god.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 14:40
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Maybe this is the wakeup call we needed. Still most Muslims are still sleeping and think it will never happen to them
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 17:11
Bangladesh foreign ministry said in a statement that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, nor has she ever visited the country.

"The Government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that she has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship shared with Bangladesh alongside her birthplace, the United Kingdom," the statement said.

"She is a British citizen by birth and has never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh ... There is no question of her being allowed to enter into Bangladesh."
edition.cnn.com/2019/02/20/uk/shamima-begum-uk-citizenshi...
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st February 2019 19:04
Came across this on reddit...

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Meh, just going to copy pasta this because this whole affair should be worrying people and not for the reasons that people are worried.

Revoking citizenship is unheard of for good reason. Next time the UK wants to deport someone undesirable they've just opened the door to other countries saying no and revoking their own citizens rights to return. There is a reason why this isn't done, Javid knows this and knows he will lose in the courts so really this is just red meat for the more and more right wing Tory base.

Secondly, she was born in the UK, raised in the UK and educated in the UK. At the end of the day - she isn't Syria's responsibility and unless they plan to detain her she is the UK's responsibility and the UK should live up to it's responsibility and look to detain her or rehabilitate her.

You have Huntley's and Bellfields sitting in jail in the UK. They are infinitely worse than Shamima and are guilty of actual murder and murderous crimes. They were however given due process, a trial and a sentencing. Shamima has received no due process and yet the UK is punishing her. She deserves to be punished and held accountable - but after she is investigated and charged, not summarily with no scope to defend herself.

If you don't value due process then fair enough - but I can tell you it's the difference between utter authoritarianism or worse, and a civilised society. Due process is one of the most important rights we have but it hasn't been afforded to Shamima.

Finally - she was groomed as a 13/14 year old, married off at 15. She has never been outside that bubble since and is now most likely quite indoctrinated. She is surrounded by extremely vicious people who would murder her in her sleep if she spoke out.

She should be brought back to the UK and ultimately will be when the Home Offices little dog and pony show is over. It should annoy you that they are breaking international law and their own guidelines to show off how right wing they are.

She should be investigated and her culpability established. Was she willing, was she groomed, how did it happen what is the context and at that point society can decide how she should be punished.

This entire affair is just another embarrassment for the UK and honestly the attitude on reddit has been really disappointing. People refusing to scratch even a small amount below the surface and making up their mind without showing much of an understanding of what may have happened in this instance.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 07:50
Mkdon is absolutely right. Anyone who doesn't agree or understand what he is saying, go and read up on what the "slippery slope effect" is.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 08:50
Even the staunch Islamophobe maajid nawaz has criticised this government's move.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 09:53
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You aren't talking to a brickwall.

I know exactly what you mean and it's implications, but you are going about it the wrong way.

You need to leave Shamima out of this and concentrate on "Ethnic Origin" Start a petition stating the facts, the rights of an individual and so on.

Sajid Javid, Born in the UK too so those rules would apply to him and he'd be sent back to Pakistan because of his ethnic origin.


The white people of the UK don't have an ethnic origin, unless they state they are Irish, Welsh or Scottish.

The peition needs to be stonger than a brickwall!

It needs to contain the rules and laws of an idvidual, human rights and so on. For it to be successfull you need to keep it nuetral and leave "crime" & "indivdual" out of it.

Thousands will sign such a petition, but a petition with any link to the slightest bit of terror, then no one will want to sign the petition.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 09:56
*LGBT is being taught in schools and kids can't be pulled out soon.

*Shamimabegum case shows that it will be easier to revoke citizenship in future on flimsy excuses.

*After Brexit, the discarding of human rights protected under EU law.

*Rise of the far right.

We got a 100mph training heading right for us in Britian and we can't see it.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 12:05
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Do you recall posting about this video?
Halalified YouTube Audio


Well, was he a Freemason? Strangely, although they talk in gest, we can't laugh it off, because they become the Law. We need to see it coming.

A lot of what they desire, comes up in sublinimal messages. The future is tough, but we need to prepare for it correctly and professionally.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 17:48
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the mosque in southwark were doing petitions about this today after jummah. as for petition for stripping citizenship now be a very good time to work closely with the black community and anyone and everyone who will be affected. even the jews aint safe as israhell have an open door policy to ALL jews thus a jew can be stripped of his uk nationality as he will have an automatic right to occupied palestine.

i think people like lee jesper, cage, and other human right activists are working on some sort of petition, if and when its done i will post it.

as for coconut sajid we know very well just like 3rd world countries, the rich and powerful alwasy seem to be immune from this kind of laws
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd February 2019 20:11
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Jihadi Jack: Isis suspect says he wants to come home to UK but 'no one cares'

The Independent

22 February 2019

The British terror suspect known as ‘Jihadi Jack’ says he wants to come home to the UK five years after running away to Syria.

Oxford-born Jack Letts, who is being held in a Kurdish prison accused of being a member of ISIS, told ITV news that he is missing his mum and the home comforts of British life, including pasties and episodes of Doctor Who.

“If the UK accepted me then I’d go back to the UK, it’s my home. But I don’t think that’s going to happen,” he said. “No one really cares”

Mr Letts holds dual nationality through his Canadian father John Letts and British mother Sally Lane but has not spoken to them in two years.

They now face a trial in the UK over claims they funded terrorism by sending their son money. The couple deny the charge and insist their son went to Syria to help refugees.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd February 2019 04:42
The isis girl is irrelevant to point that it is the height of naivety for us Muslims living in the West to think that there's a long-term place for us. Historically, this interim phase of a minority Muslim population living amongst the kuffar never lasts long. Either the superior conduct of true Muslims causes the entire region to convert to Islam, or eventually the Muslims get exterminated.

Dual citizenship or full citizenship or whatever papers they hand out to us will not make a jot of difference. When the time arrives, which is not too far for those willing to open their eyes a bit beyond their comfort zones, every Muslim's citizenship will be revoked. Their houses, property, businesses will be repossessed. They will be enslaved. And eventually a general massacre will take place.

This will all be done legally of course, just like it's happened throughout history. A recent example is Burma where the Muslims there, not too long ago, were some of the richest and most affluent Muslims in the world.

"Laws" will be passed to enact this process. Enslavement, for example, is not trendy any more like it was in the past. So when the kuffar realise that we are a substantial work force who can be exploited, they will eventually close the borders and remove the option of hijrah. The small fraction of jobs they allow for us today in the lower tiers (other than a few propped up coconuts to convey the deception of equality) will gradually be curtailed. Eventually we'll all be forced to take on the very worst errands for a few peanuts just to keep living.

Study history. This is what normally happens eventually even between a majority kuffar population and a minority kuffar population. Study for example what happened to the Muslims and Jews of Andalus before they were fully exterminated once the cons of slavery outweighed the pros. This is a natural historical trend. The human species has not changed. There is no such thing as evolution. Man is still and will always be an animal, in fact worse, except only if he submits to the deen of Allah fully.

People conveniently forget the Quranic fact that the kuffar are worse than animals. There are no exceptions. They have no real laws. Only the delusion of laws. Their laws are based on the whims of the majority which is expertly controlled and swayed by the elite.

It's almost laughable to see Muslims complaining about the kuffar being deceitful or lying. Do you really expect them to be honest and abide by some principles they claim to hold onto? It's like complaining that they're doing adultery or the many other animal like acts that is part of their lifestyle. In any case their kufr is millions of times worse than anything else they do.

It is only Allah who protects us amidst the kuffar, and it is only Allah who removes that protection. It is obvious that the latter process is taking place. We must introspect and act urgently to see what we are doing wrong. What used to be Haraam and Halaal before and what changes have we made to the deen of Allah? What does my Nafs want to believe is Halaal but could possibly, and definitely used to be Haraam, and vice versa? For those of us who believe the Akabir of Deoband to have been trustworthy and knowledgeable Ulama of Ahlussunnah in an era where deception, lies and deviance are the overwhelming norm (compare for example with the other major group of Ulama in the indopak region who claim to be Hanafi), the answer to these questions are very easy to determine. These are questions we all need to ask ourselves honestly and urgently, and prompt others around us to do also, especially those of us who practically have no better alternative place to do Hijrah to.

Otherwise it'll be too late very soon.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2019 11:37
Shamima Begum’s family take Home Secretary to court over decision to revoke her citizenship


The family of Shamima Begum have taken the Home Secretary to court, appealing the decision to strip the 19-year-old of her British citizenship.

Shamima Begum vanished from her home in Bethnal Green in London four years ago, along with two other teenage girls, and travelled to Syria where she married an Isil fighter from the Netherlands.

Home Secretary Sajid Javid stripped her of her citizenship just days after she gave birth to a baby boy, which died only three weeks later. It was the third child she lost in four years.

Now, according to The Guardian, an appeal against the decision to revoke her citizenship has been lodged with the Special Immigration Appeals Commission by Begum’s mother, while another challenge will be lodged with the high court on Thursday.
Tasnime Akunjee, the solicitor representing Begum’s family claims the government decision breaks several articles of the European Convention on Human Rights.


“We are arguing the decision is wrong because it renders Shamima Begum stateless, it puts her life at risk, exposes her to inhumane and degrading treatment, and breaches her right to family life,” he told The Guardian.
“The decision was disproportionate.

“The government has accepted that 400 people have picked up a gun and actively fought for Isis and then been allowed back to Britain. So how can it be proportionate for a 19-year-old girl who had a child not be allowed to return, when the others have been allowed to return?”

Last week Mr Akunjee was unable to get Begum’s written permission to launch an appeal for British citizenship after he was blocked from entering the camp she is in by Syrian forces.

The solicitor was stopped just "50 metres" from Begum after travelling thousands of miles to the al-Roj camp in north-eastern Syria.

Instead, the appeal has been launched by Begum’s mother.
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