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#226 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 16:44
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Mirza Sahab is a student of Hafiz Zubair Ali Zai (RA). He most likely identifies with members of the Ahle Hadith.
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#227 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 16:46
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No
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#228 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 16:53
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So just purveyor of the Salafi Fitnah we had in the western countries in the 1990's.

"Quran and Hadith only".


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#229 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 17:00
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Ghair Muqallids don't require such backings :)

They make their own stuff up.

They learn from others then claim they don't make taqleed.
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#230 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 17:09
علماء و مفتی صاحبان سے مسائل پوچھنے والوں کی ایک خطرناک جہالت و نادانی*

ایک مرتبہ مفتی اعظم پاکستان مفتی محمد رفیع عثمانی صاحب دامت برکاتھم نے فرمایا جس کا مفہوم یہ ہے کہ
بعض اوقات علماء سے سوال کیا جاتا ہے اور آخر میں یہ کہہ دیا جاتا ہے کہ صرف قرآن و سنت کی دلیل
سے جواب دیجئے گا
پھر فرمایا:
یہ کس قدر بے ادبی اور بے اعتباری کی بات ہے کہ چھوٹی چھوٹی باتیں بھی علماء سے پوچھتے ہیں اور قید یہ لگاتے ہیں کہ قرآن و سنت کی دلیل بھی دیں۔ اس بات سے ایسا لگتا ہے کہ جیسے علماء قرآن و سنت سے نہیں بلکہ اپنی طرف سے مسائل بیان کرتے ہیں یا قرآن
و سنت سے نہیں بلکہ تورات و انجیل سے جواب دیتے ہیں۔ معاذ اللہ
بعض اوقات عوام الناس کی باتوں سے ایسا لگتا ہے کہ صرف عوام الناس ہی قرآن و سنت کو سمجھتی ہے جبکہ علماء کہ جن کی ساری زندگی قرآن و سنت سیکھنے اور سکھانے میں گزری ہوتی ہے وہ قرآن و سنت کے بارے میں کچھ نہیں جانتے۔
علماء پر ایسے عالمانہ انداز میں جراح کی جاتی ہے کہ جیسے علماء نے آج تک جتنا پڑھا اور پڑھایا ہے وہ سب غلط ہے یا ان کو آج تک قرآن و سنت سمجھ ہی نہیں آیا۔ معاذ اللہ
عوام الناس سے گزارش ہے کہ جو بھی سوال علماء سے پوچھیں تو اس پر دلیل اس طرح نہ مانگیں کہ ابے ادبی اور بے

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#231 [Permalink] Posted on 8th May 2020 19:23
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Not really although he claims it by having a single YouTube session with him.

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He is an Engineer and Grade 19 Civil Servant who works for the Atomic Energy commission in Islamabad, he doesn't need any backing.

The place where he records is donated by the shop downstairs, the Camera is bought and YouTube is free.

The reason he is popular in Pakistan is the same reason others before him are popular, the way professional and educated people are treated by religious people and the solution is not to slap "500" Fatwaas on people like this as it will make the situation worse.

Message TV by making videos about him may get a few hundred thousand clicks (and revenue) but will do irreparable damage to Deobandees as it feeds into the narrative that "Ulama couldn't beat him so they got his arrested".

The way to deal with Fitnahs is according to Sunnah:

  1. Cool your anger
  2. Think W-H-Y people are attracted to the Fitnah
  3. Offer alternative professionally and with better standards
  4. Once your product is better THEN issue Fatwaas


The "Deobandi" response is just Fatawa that Hazrat such and such has issued a Fatwa. This is fine "for the converted", it makes no difference to those who are attracted to the Fitnah

In my lifetime, I have seen Maulana Maududi (RA) onwards...Has any of those Fitnahs truly diminished or has it just morphed?

Everyone needs to ask themselves some hard question...

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#232 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 00:51
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I'm sorry but such blanket statements are hurtful as I have many Salafi/Ahle Hadith relatives and despite having some differences of opinion with them, they are very sincere in their Deen mashallah.
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#233 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 00:52
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I do agree, alhumdulillah.

I should've been more precise in my wording.

Jzk.
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#234 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 07:53
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Near Translation:

Once Mufti e Azam Pakistan Mufti Mohammed Rafi Usmani Sab DB said, the summary is:

Ulema are questioned and reply is demanded with reference from Quran and Sunnah. This is ignorance and disrespect and distrust that; even small things are requested from ulema and restrict them that they must produce the reference from Quran and sunnah.

Does this mean that Ulema are independently replying on their own and not from Quran and Sunnah. Or is that ulema are quoting from Torath and Bible for their replies. Ma’azallah.

Many times it looks as if the common man only has the knowledge of Quran and Sunnah and the Ulema who have spend their entire life in learning and teaching Quran and Sunnah won’t have knowledge of Quran and Sunnah.

The way Ulema are being treated it looks, whatever knowledge of Quran and Sunnah they have learnt is wrong or they haven’t learnt Quran and Sunnah at all.

So it is requested to have Adab while demanding reply with daleel from Ulema
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#235 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 08:43
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The way to deal with Fitnahs is according to Sunnah:

Cool your anger
Think W-H-Y people are attracted to the Fitnah
Offer alternative professionally and with better standards
Once your product is better THEN issue Fatwaas


1. Cool your anger

The provoking is from opposite side. One maulana was saying, we have enough responsibilities , we are forced to share our precious time for these things.

2. Think W-H-Y people are attracted to the Fitnah

Fitnah is always attractive. Ulema put preconditions for discussing Quran and Sunnah, they say; have certain ethics in dealing with Anbiya and Sahabah. On the other hand Fitnah claims; why restriction, why can't we criticize Anbiya and Sahabah, they are ordinary humans like us.

3. Offer alternative professionally and with better standards

The fitnah creators are fooling muslims. Maualana Ameen Safdar Okarvi RA says "Uljhate zaroor hain.... suljhaate naheen hain". They confuse people but they don't have an alternative.
We demand from them "Ok Baba, we shall abandon hanafi madhab, what is the alternative".... Nothing............ "Is there a alternative fiqh book with every masa'la refering to quran and saheeh hadeeth, universally followed by you?" Nothing..
They offer references for a few masail only. When we corner them, asking questions quoting their own principles of Quran and Sahee Hadeeth............... They say "we have made intentions to follow quran and saheeh hadith only" so Allah will forgive us..

4. Once your product is better THEN issue Fatwaas


We have the best product, take the tablet and get healed...... But if if some one insists on visiting the research laboratory, checks the research process, check the records of field test, check the process of production then takes the tablet.... he his burdening himself.

We have 1400 years, time tested process and "we need not reinvent the wheel"

Our process has produced Gouse, Awliyah, mufassireen, muhadditeen, mashaikh and other great personalities. Do we need a better evidence than that.
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#236 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 09:42


Shaykh Ali mian nadvi RA says " Emotional hatred towards ignorance is not enough. The inner truth (ma'rifath) of the ignorance must be known to we muslims, never get cheated even if jaahiliath appears before us wearing the gilaaf of ka'aba (curtain) and holds a copy of Quran in its hands... then also recite laa haula wala quwwata, and beg for refuge from Allah from this. Let the ignorance come with best dress, we must be able to identify it.
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#237 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 10:10
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Loading Qur'aan Verse

This is to corroborate with what you have written.
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#238 [Permalink] Posted on 9th May 2020 11:15
Many of us say "what is wrong in them, they are quoting Quran and Saheeh hadith"

Ulema say, "Sunnah must be presented against bida'ah, then only it will be accepted".

"If we are on firm belief that our practices are on Sunnah, then Sunnah against Sunnah can't be taken" it can be said, "you follow your research on Sunnah we follow our research".

Same is the case of Tauheed. Tauheed must be presented against Shirk. We are on Tauheed, so we need not accept others research of Tauheed.

Then common Muslim brothers say "where do we go". This must be answered by people who created the chaos
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