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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 12:58
i had to google amir liaquat. i had an idea who he is, but wasnt sure.

once i saw his face i instantly recognised him. he is the guy that was caught on behind the scenes camera talking filth, right?

very bad idea having anything to do with him at all.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 14:20

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I firmly believe that there was corruption/cheating in the elections and it was not completely fair. Elections were better and fairer but not entirely corruption free.

This is one of the proofs in my mind…ALH cannot win against Farooq Sattar in NA-245, its impossible unless there was vote rigging and corruption

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NA-245_(Karachi_East-IV)

But system cannot change overnight and Pakistan cannot go from being Pakistan to Madina overnight so improvements in the system are welcome.

ALH is a nasty, vile, corrupt individual and I agree.




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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 15:21
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I firmly believe that there was corruption/cheating in the elections and it was not completely fair. Elections were better and fairer but not entirely corruption free.


That's interesting. However, what I am saying is that didn't IK have a better person to run elections in NA-245. Maybe because of my lack of knowledge about politics, I can't understand but this question pops up in my mind.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 15:29

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Not against Farooq Sattar and I believe that still corruption took place.

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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 17:45
We better all agree with respected Mu’adh khan,the elections were not entirely free and fair,specially in Karachi and Punjab,partially in KP (Baluchistan is a different game altogether).

Sometimes one has to choose between ‘fair play’ (with disastrous consequences) and a bit of cheating (with a hope to gradually eradicate fully entrenched syndicates and improve the system). Those who really count opted for the second option.The state could possibly not function normally anymore unless the mafia,s were taken out of the equation,fairly or unfairly...

Democracy is neither a word of God nor a perfect system.People are illiterate and their choices were limited,additionally,the mafia,s have always proved to be masters of the art of electioneering. “Something” had to be done and that something ‘was’ done (on a limited scale and only where needed).

I personally have no objection to that...

Making Amir Liaquat a candidate of PTI makes no sense UNLESS we assume he was somehow “forced upon” IK against his will...
The situation in Karachi requires some extraordinary measures to be taken,Amir liaqat may prove more appropriate for some ‘special task’ in future...
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 19:32
i have very little if any knowledge abt pak politics but i think its important to always stick to ones principles and what you believe in to pamper to someone in order to gain power. not sure as to why IK has taken on that filth ALH. just by going with UK politics today corbyn committed a mini suicide by adopting the anti antisemitism definition even though he and most his followers object to. by going against your principles you end up being the biggest loser. haters will still hate you and those who liked you because of your stance will distant themselves. IK should know its better to lose with dignity than win by taking on scum like ALH
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2018 20:21
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He probably doesn't see him the way others do.

I have discussed this guy on the forums before and he is not good for Muslim's in general
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 10:36

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Islam has politics and for the greater good you are supposed to use wisdom and not harshness. I am not saying Imran Khan is using Islam (properly) or that Islam was even on his radar

There is no way Farooq Sattar can lose in Karachi East, its impossible.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farooq_Sattar

PTI decided to field a candidate who is popular in the Media to give the appearence to the people that it is possible.

There are a few other constituencies where I have my doubts but this is the most obvious which anyone with two brain cells would understand that “cheating went on…”


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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 11:20
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 12:28
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Dr ATif Mian (Economic Advisor):
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I don't know whether he is a good politician or not but I am very sure about it that IK is playing in dangerous waters. Religious community will not be happy with him after this. Wasn't there any other economist in Pakistan? What the heck is he doing?
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 16:45
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AFAIK he is an ahle hadith.
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 17:08

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I was wondering about that because someone told me that he is Shia but his father and him were both in JI. Do you have links on him and his background?


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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 17:27
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Are there any shias in JI?
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2018 17:58
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Maybe people are saying that because of his name but not all Alvis are Shias.

I don't find any links on the net about him being Shia or not but two points come to mind:

1. Maulana Muawiya Azam, son of Maulana Azam Tariq Shaheed RA, who always criticise Maulana Fazlur-Rahman just for his political alliance with Shias, has supported Dr. Arif Alvi in the Presidential election.

2. I've seen his pictures of praying on the net in which he has his hands folded on the chest while Shias do not fold their hands in Salah.

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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 7th September 2018 12:14

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Mufti Rafi Usmani (DB) to Imran Khan

Mufti Rafi Usmani (DB) responds to Imran Khan's offer to discuss Qadiyani issues in detail.


PTI Official Statements:

twitter.com/FaisalJavedKhan/status/1037910633017171969

Atif Mian was asked to step down from the Advisory Council and he has agreed. A replacement would be announced later.

twitter.com/fawadchaudhry/status/1037926023323639808

عمران خان کا آئیڈیل ریاست مدینہ ہے، اور وزیر اعظم اور ان کی کابینہ کے اراکین عاشقان رسول کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم ہیں۔ ختم نبوت ہمارے ایمان کا حصہ ہے اور حال ہی میں گستاخانہ خاکوں کے معاملے پر حکومت نے جو کامیابی حاصل کی وہ بھی اسی نسبت کا اظہار ہے۔

Imran Khan's ideal is the state of Madina. Prime Minister and his cabinet are lovers of Sayyiduna Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam). Khatm-e-Nubuwwat is part of our Eemaan, our recent success in combating the blasphemous images is a manifestation of our connection.

News:

www.dawn.com/news/1431495

The Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government has asked Princeton University economist Atif R. Mian to step down from the Prime Minister Imran Khan-led Economic Advisory Council (EAC), PTI Senator Faisal Javed Khan announced on Friday.

The decision follows mounting pressure from religiopolitical parties against the appointment of Dr Mian, who is an Ahmadi.

According to a tweet by Senator Javed, Mian has agreed to give up his position on the council. A replacement will be announced later, he added.

Minister of Information Fawad Chaudhary later confirmed the development, saying the government has decided to withdraw the nomination of Dr Mian from the EAC because it wants to avoid division.

Editorial: Prejudice against minorities at top political levels is unacceptable

"The government wants to move forward alongside scholars and all social groups, and it is inappropriate if a single nomination creates an impression to the contrary," he tweeted.

In a second tweet, Chaudhry said the ideal state, according to Prime Minister Khan, is of Madina and that the premier and members of his cabinet hold Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in high esteem.

"Khatm-i-Nabuwwat [belief in the finality of the prophethood] is a part of our faith and the recent success achieved by the government in the matter of blasphemous sketches is reflective of the same connection," he wrote.

The appointment of Dr Mian of Princeton University (Department of Member Economics and Woodrow Wilson School of Public Policy) to the 18-member EAC set up to advise the government on economic policy was opposed by some individuals and groups, including Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), who objected to his Ahmadi faith.

The news of his removal from the body comes as a surprise since the PTI government had only three days ago defended the academic's nomination, saying in categorical terms that it will "not bow to extremists".

"Pakistan belongs as much to minorities as it does to the majority," Information Minister Chaudhary had told a press conference in Islamabad, amidst a vicious online campaign targeting Dr Mian for his Ahmadiyya faith.

Chaudhry had taken to Twitter to recall that "Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah appointed Sir Zafar Ullah [also an Ahmadi] as Foreign minister of Pakistan; we'll follow [the] principles of Mr Jinnah, not of extremists."

His thoughts were echoed by Minister of Human Rights Shireen Mazari, who tweeted: "Exactly. Well put indeed. Time to reclaim space for the Quaid's Pakistan!".

The first meeting of the recently reconstituted EAC was presided over by Prime Minister Imran Khan on Thursday, but it could not be attended by three international economists of Pakistani origin, including Dr Mian, because of technical reasons.

“They could not make it because our web-link was down,” an official told Dawn.

Smear campaign

A social media smear campaign had erupted against the economist's appointment, with many calling for his removal.

A call-to-attention notice had also been submitted in the Senate by opposition parties against Mian's inclusion in the EAC. The notice bore the signatures of the PML-N, Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal and the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party members.

No member of the PPP had signed the document, with the party making it clear that it would not be part of a witch-hunt based on someone's faith.

A large number of supporters had also defended Mian's appointment on social media, saying that one's religion should not factor into their professional qualifications or employment.

Dr Mian has served as a professor of economics, public policy and finance at Princeton University and as director of The Julis-Rabinowitz Centre for Public Policy and Finance at Woodrow Wilson School. He is the only Pakistani to be considered among International Monetary Fund’s ‘top 25 brightest young economists’.

Ahmadis were declared non-Muslims in Pakistan through a constitutional amendment passed on September 7, 1974 during the tenure of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto.

This measure was later followed with Gen Ziaul Haq making it a punishable offence for Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim or to refer to their faith as Islam.

P.S: I am not a PTI supporter, just reporting facts...

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