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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2018 19:58
No one is "searching" for these errors. These errors are being presented to scholars for clarification.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2018 20:19
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(salam)

one cannot blame 'silsilas' for a Tahir Qadri, 'Madrassah' for any Abul Layth, 'Tableegh' for a Maulvi Saad, 'Amaliyat' for a Noor Zaman.. 'Medical profession' for the Larry Nassars.. and the list goes on..

The onus lies on these cunning manipulators who hide behind a wall and play the game.. and they have their set of supporters.. who form a culture and then a cult..

duas

wa Assalam..
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2018 20:48
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(salam)



The great Ḥanafῑ jurist, Imām Qādhi Khān (rah) (d.592 AH), writes:

رَجُلَانِ بَيْنَهُمَا خُصُوْمَةٌ فَجَاءَ أَحَدُهُمَا بِخُطُوْطِ الْفُقَهَاءِ وَالْفَتْوَى فَقَالَ الْخَصْمُ لَيْسَ كَمَا أَفْتَوْا أَوْ قَالَ لَا تُعْمَلُ بِهَذَا وَهُمَا مِنْ عَرْضِ النَّاسِ كَانَ عَلَيْهِ التَّعْزِيْرُ

(فتاوى قاضي خان ص۵۱٦ ج٣ قديمي كتب خانة)



Translation:

“If two people have a dispute, and one of them presents the letters and Fatāwā of the Fuqahā to which the other says “the Fatwā is not how they have issued” or “do not act upon their Fatwā”, and these two individuals are respected people, then such an individual shall be given Ta’zir (corporal punishment)”

(Fatāwā Qādhῑ Khān, page 516, volume 3, Qadῑmῑ Kutub Khāna Edition)



Similarly, it is mentioned in Al Fatāwa Al Hindiyyah:

رَجُلٌ عَرَضَ عَلَيْهِ خَصْمُهُ فَتْوَى الْأَئِمَّة ِفَرَدَّهَا وَقَالَ چہ بارنامہ فتوی آوردہ قِيْلَ يَكْفُرُ لِأَنَّهُ رَدَّ حُكْمَ الشَّرْعِ وَكَذَا لَوْ لَمْ يَقُلْ شَيْئًا لَكِنْ أَلْقَى الْفَتْوَى عَلَى الْأَرْضِ وَقَالَ این چہ شرع است كَفَرَ

(الفتاوى الهندية ص٣۷۲ ج۲ مكتبة رشيدية)




Translation:

“A person is presented with the Fatāwā of the scholars by his opposition and says “what kind of a Fatwā is this?”, it is said that he has committed disbelief as he has refuted a command of Sharῑ’ah. In the same manner, if one does not say anything, but rather, throws the Fatwā on the ground and says “what kind of Sharῑ’ah is this?” He has committed disbelief”

(Al Fatāwa Al Hindiyyah, page 372, volume 2, Maktabah Rashῑdiyyah Edition)

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so once a Fatwa has been issued by the likes of Shaikh ul Islam Hazrat Mufti Taqi Usmani sahab (db) then kindly let Shaikh Albani (rah) take some rest..


duas..

wa Assalam..
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2018 22:01
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2018 22:15
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How about another response from within that same school.

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Praise be to Allah.
Gheebah (backbiting, gossip) means that you mention something about your Muslim brother which he does not like, such as his faults. This is haram (impermissible), no matter by what means it happens or whatever form it takes. It is haram according to the consensus of the Muslim scholars. Criticizing people, if the aim is to expose their faults, is gheebah and is among the “evil uttered in public” that Allah does not like [4:148]. But if the intention is to put people off a person’s evil action that is forbidden according to sharee’ah (Islamic law), to cause a person to stop doing that, to combat someone’s bid’ah (innovation) and warn people against it, or to expose something false that a person has said in front of others in discussion groups or newsgroups on the internet or elsewhere, then this is permissible and is not the gheebah which is forbidden. Indeed it is an act of worship that brings a person closer to Allah, or it is an obligation upon whoever is able to do that. The salaf (pious predecessors) condemned innovators and critiqued the narrators of reports, in sincerity to Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). What is important is to look at the aim and intention.

And Allah knows best.

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 06:59
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Now, I don't like the fatwas of character assassination.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 07:20
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No scholar is infallible though but common man has no right to assassin the scholars' character on the basis of fatwas.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 08:01
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On the contrary brother, lessons are being learnt, fear is being instilled, Dua's are being made and the system is being looked at!

No one is backbiting, slandering or even character assassinating.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 08:49
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The scholars don’t usually volunteer fatwas,they respond when they are asked...and like here they mention clearly that the onus of presenting ‘facts’ is on the one who is asking the question. If the facts are ‘as presented’ the fatwa is valid otherwise the scholar issuing fatwa is not responsible.The scholars don’t have the facility to investigate any matter. They issue fatwa on any given scenario presented to them.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 09:37
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Hope so
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 09:44
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and people choose the fatwa of their choice.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 14:07

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

Facts about the "fatwa":

1) No name of the "peer"
2) Anonymous questioner
3) Unsubstantial evidence regarding the supposed facts

One word for the willingness of the esteemed members of this forum to believe each and every word of the fatwa - AMAZING

Khulafa who supposedly left:

1) No reasons told to people who asked them (just the inner most circle)
2) 20+ years spent in the company of the shaikh (as stated previously on their websites), conscience, deen, fiqh, halal haram, all put to sleep for these 20+ years and suddenly hit by wakeup call (epiphany). Didn't see a thing in 20+ years which supposedly even Mufti Taqi Usmani (hafizahullah) knows?
3) Leave Hazrat Ji, run to other shaikhs, get khilafat, keep the river flowing (mureeds in place), and we should believe these khulafa huh?

Cult:

Let me bring a fatwa against this forum and then wait for reaction of the esteemed members (curses)

I make dua for Hazrat Ji and myself and all the members of this forum that may Allah grant us taufeeq in all spheres of life and Hidayah. Even if Hazrat Ji is indeed like what has been claimed (without any proofs) in the fatwa, thousands have made tobah because of him, lives of thousands have been changed through him, thousands have come towards the deen because of him (unlike the keyboard "holier than thou" warriors who post "fatwas" justifying actions of some scholars (and RETRACT later), embodying "Hubb e Muawiya Bughz e Ali" in it's full sense)

- LATEST

Called Dar ul Uloom, they denied that this fatwa is about Peer Zulfiqar Sahib.


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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 14:44
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 15:02

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Shoaib,

Wallahi! I didn't know that someone like you could actually go this low to defend your cult.

Lying is still Haram in Islam doesn't matter who you have done Bay'ah to, basic commands of Allah and injunctions of Islam still apply to you.

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2018 15:35
بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم


(salam)


For a while lets drop Peer sahab’s name from the scenario.. let us say we give time to Darul uloom Karachi to publicly declare whom the Fatwa was about. Let us keep it there for a while (to reduce shock)..

My concern now rests with the Girls who have appealed that their modesty is being outraged on a regular basis and that they are subjected to sexual abuse by a person who holds power. someone who is carefully manipulating the situation to feed his base desires.

They write on page 4 in the original fatwa-



"At one side modesty of girls continue getting outraged and on the other hand tears are shed before others that these girls have disgraced me.."

And on page 3



11) "Peer sahab saying to a girl that some females in the state of Fana fi Shaikh feel as if they should draw intimately close to the Shaikh, embrace him, and make love to him."

12) "Making unlawful (counter-Shariah) acts while in seclusion by the Shaikh and saying not to disclose before anyone, else the spiritual state would diminish."


Iam a Medical Doctor, have counselled women who had been subjected to sexual abuse, some by very near ones and they failed to confide even before their mothers. I have seen what nervous wrecks they had become, some broke engagements, others scarred for life..

Generations that made great men in history were made by their mothers.. be it a Hazrat Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jeelani (rah) holding a Rosary (tasbeeh) or a Hazrat Sayyid Ahmed Shaheed (rah) drawing a sword.. or Hazrat Maulana Syed Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi (rah) holding a pen.. owe to their pious mothers (rah)

All these abused girls who were subjected to such shameful ordeals by none other than their own Shaikh.. I wonder what road shall they take in future.. whom will they follow.. what lesson shall they impart to their children.. what about trust..

And I wonder what course of action will Darul-uloom Karachi take after someone petitions such a serious issue which let alone issue a fatwa, demands to be investigated by the authorities..

Or will they wait till some TRP hungry news channel does a sting and splashes it all over the world..
This is Not something to be brushed aside.. This is Not about ‘My Peer’ but about some innocent’s life… And life is precious…


wa Assalam..
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