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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 12:33

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Russian Plane was in Syrian airspace according to Turkish ministry but in a No-Fly zone set by Turkey

SU24 is an old Rust-Bucket and stands no chance against MANPADs or F16

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 15:29

MashaAllah Turkey takes its security seriously, its great they shot it down. shows they are not scared.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 15:41

russia has accused turkey of supporting daesh and stabbing them in the back. putin said there will be serious consequences. if and i must say a big if turkish is attacked by russia then i will see this as the beginning go ww3. it would be interesting how the apostate 'muslim' leaders react. i doubt saudi qatar uae or pakistan will defend their brothers. its not like they have ever done anything for islam and muslims so why will they start now.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 16:15

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You 2 think that Turkey shot the Russian plane which fell outside of its airspace out of National pride or some sort of Islamic moral principle?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 16:19

Let's wait for the recovery of the black box, did they give 10 warnings in 10 minutes as claimed, did they enter the no fly zone before being shot down, were they on their way out and therefore landed inside Syria, did one of the pilots get caught, if so by who?

Let answers be revealed, then speculate :)

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 16:50

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does it matter? most likely cos it was in their airspace so they were within their rights both islamically and according to international law. rather have that than toothless scum like saudi and pakistanis who allow and keep quite as uncle sam sends in his drones to kill muslims. question is not why they did and if it was right but what should happen if a MUSLIM country is attacked. unlike previous wars it was against what they called extremists or terrorists and had full support of the country they invaded but now it would be against the sovereign state who is not on side.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 18:46

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Nope from what i see (and Allah knows best) Turkey simply reacted to protect its borderline and rightly so. I Dont know if it was for islam or anything else, but simply the job that an army is suppose to do to protect the integrity of its borderline. So welldone!

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 23:12

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This plane was possibly travelling over 1000 KM/Hr and at least over 6000 meters so it couldn't be shot down by Manpads.

Its an aging rustbucket and poses no threat to any Airforce.

Even according to Turkish maps it was at the tip of Turkish airspace, when shot it crashed in Syria.

Do you really think it was shot by Turkey to protect its airspace?

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 24th November 2015 23:40

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So why was it shot then?

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2015 05:04

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Allahu alam bro, if there is something you know more then forsure share and i am all ears. I am just expressing my opinion based on the few news article i read. I dont know if this has been done due to some hidden agenda to open up excuses to take on Turkey into a fight, or Turkey on purpose going way out of their way to actually pick a fight with Russia. I can only wait and time will tell. But for now that is what it looks like Turkey shot a Russian plane down as they were not happy with the air space breach.

"Despite all warnings, a fighter jet of unknown identity was interfered within the rules of engagement. The jet unfortunately insisted on its violation despite it had been warned ten times and our F-16â€™s downed one of the jets as a result of the intervention,â€ ErdoÄŸan said.

ErdoÄŸan also said that everyone should respect Turkeyâ€™s right to defend its borders.

â€œEveryone should respect Turkeyâ€™s right to defend its own borders. Turkey sincerely supports opposition groups in Syria,â€ ErdoÄŸan said, adding that no one should doubt that Turkey put all efforts to avert todayâ€™s incident."

www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-downed-fighter-jet-withi...

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2015 11:11

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Last paragraph tells you in Plain English what the problem is.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2015 11:41

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i dont know anything about military hardware, but according to muadh bhai the jet that was taken down was a rust bucket - maybe russia were not too worried about losing it and used it to provoke turkey? maybe it is possible that russia were not worried about losing their jet and personnel and purposefully acted in a way to provoke and anticipate a hostile reaction from turkey in order to escalate some other agenda that they may have?

according to news reports the russian jet was only in turkish airspace for around 10 seconds. turkey are saying that the jet was repeatedly warned from entering into turkish airspace, but despite this the russians did not heed the warning and turkey was then forced to react. again i know nothing about military hardware and know even less about military manoeuvres, so for me this raises the question - is it normal to deploy a jet in such a short time frame or were turkey somehow anticipating this and thus were already waiting to react in this way even though the breach of their airspace was only for around 10 seconds? if that is the case then what are their motives to react in such a hostile way over something that is apparently so minor?

there are other questions and possibilities as well, but i would like comments and thoughts for about the above for now.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2015 13:58

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Airforce uses Assets based on threats. There are only two threats to a Jet:

Other Fighter Jets
Manpads

Syrian Airforce is not opposing Russia so there is no threat 1.

Rebels don't have any Manpads so there is no second threat.

No point in deployment of state of the art Technology so Russia is using old RustBuckets and dumb bombs with impunity because there is no threat. These are cheap old planes so they are using them.

That answers your first question.

The second question pertains to how quick can you respond?

These planes take off from Latakia which gives lots of time for Turkish Air force to get in the air and just monitor in their airspace. Flying time of an F16 is around 44 minutes (without refueling) so they just monitor the area.

Pakistan does the space with India. As soon as Radars detect an India Jet they go on Alert, They come within 50-60 miles and F16s take off. By the time they are in Pakistani airspace F16s are ready.

UK does the same, read all the Russian bombers who are coming close to London, Scotland etc. You monitor and when a certain threshold is crossed, Tornados take off.

These Russian Jets were bombing on the border, at over 1000 KM/Hr you can breach the border in a few seconds while you are turning...So you can go in and out of an airspace in seconds.

Turkish F16 must be tracking them, the minute they crossed the Border (10-17 seconds) SU24 stands no chance against an F16 with AMRAM!

F16 will eat them all day and spit them out.

Now Russians know about the threat so as of yesterday all sorties will be escorted by SU30SM...

SU30SM is locking Radar on the Americans and I am really glad that these Su24 (RustBuckets) were unescorted...

This is deliberate by Turkey, NATO and USA.

America stopped Rebels getting Manpads last year but CIA supplied TOWs to them so despite Russian Airforce Rebels have been making mincemeat out of Syrian Tanks!

This has just been escalated and Russia knows not to take airwar lightly, if CIA starts giving Manpads Russians planes will be flying out of the Syrian skies on a regular basis.

Does anyone remember Russia in Afghanistan? Stingers and game was up for Russia!

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2015 03:37

Guys get the max out of Colonel about military hardware.

I shall ask for the big thing. Tell us about the military muscles of all significant players in Syria.
Even we lay people can see for ourselves that sheer mass of arms is no surety of military success.
So we would like to know about those things that look effective at the moment.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 26th November 2015 09:42

It's all so stupid.

Nato are fighting ISIS
Nato want Assad out
ISIS want Assad out
Nato are helping the rebels get Assad out
ISIS are fighting the rebels (non-ISIS)
non-ISIS are fighting Assad and ISIS
Russia is fighting anti Assad fighters

In the end, innocent Law abiding, practising Muslims become the laughing stock.

It's a huge mess. There's no common ground. They are just playing games with each other.

Bombs will go off in soft spots and then they will have an excuse to attack and kill more people. This is the only way governments will pass legislation backed by public. Just like other attacks. They do an inside job because the people aren't listening. They give the people a wakeup call and job done. A few innocents killed, a bigger agenda is started.

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