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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 26th April 2015 08:08

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Corrected

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 26th April 2015 09:21

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No akhi. I was making routine inquiry.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 19th May 2015 13:54

South Africans in the Islamic State send letter to local (SA) Ulema

Cii Broadcasting in is possession of a document that has been sent by a group of South Africans, both male and female, who appear to have joined the Islamic State (IS) based in Syria and Iraq.

The document is addressed to the Muslims scholars of South Africa who have spoken out against the group in recent months.

The 8 page letter is reproduced in its entirety as images below the article. It begins:

â€œTo the scholars and Muslims of South Africa from the proud citizens of the Dawlatul Islamia who once were south african (sic)â€.

Cii Broadcasting can confirm that the letter has been forwarded by a South African who is currently in Syria although the name of the individual does not appear on it. It is not known if the document carries any official weight in the eyes of those running the affairs of the IS.

The letter challenges South African Muslim scholars to visit the Islamic State and assess for themselves what the situation is all about instead of relying on western media for their information.

Senior Ulema, including Moulana Shabier Saloojee and Mufti Radha-ul-Haq of Darul Uloom Zakarriyah, Ml Abdul Hamid Ishaq of the Darul Uloom in Azaadville, Ml Ebrahim Bham of the Jamiatul Ulama South Africa, the Muslim Judicial Council and others have all criticised the formation of the Islamic State.

A huge gathering of Muslims was addressed by many of these scholars on 22 April 2015 at a masjid (mosque) in Roshnee, south of Johannesburg, highlighting the purported ills of the newly formed Islamic State under the leadership of Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, the Khilafah or leader of the establishment.

While the South African scholars legitimised the institution of jihad and in particular fighting for a religious cause under prescribed conditions, they found fault in the reported practices carried out in the name of this new Islamic State. They encouraged young Muslims to rather involve themselves, under the present circumstances, in the efforts of Tabligh (Islamic propagation), Tazkiyyah (internal self-reformation) and Taâ€™leem (learning Islam).

It would seem that the letter is a response to some of the accusations leveled at the IS during this meeting and to the advices of these elders from the South African Muslim community.

The letter writer, embedded within the IS, noted that it was penned in the spirit of love and concern. â€œWe write this letter to you out of deep love and concern for you as brothers and sisters in islam (sic). It is concerning for us that you are being deceived and misguided by people claiming to have knowledge of what the khilafah is and what is happening in Dawlatul Islamia.â€

The writer also evoked the history of Salahuddin Ayoubi, the Conqueror of Al Quds in the year 1187, who was initially opposed by the Muslim scholars.

The document then went on to try and set the record straight. According to the writer, the Islamic State exists in multiple locations therefore debunking the Hornetâ€™s Nest theory.

Reports emerged in 2014 that former employee at US National Security Agency (NSA), Edward Snowden, revealed that the British and American intelligence and the Mossad worked together to create the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

The concept was to then attract Islamic extremists of the world to one place, using a strategy called â€œthe hornetâ€™s nestâ€.

The document addressed to the scholars of South Africa goes on to state that South African Ulema should resist to comment on the Islamic State if they have not seen, â€œthe only first-hand evidence available.â€

It also noted that those who have gone to the Islamic state, from South Africa and presumably from other countries as well, â€œcome from multiple educational backgrounds, from religious scholars, to workers to businessmen, to highly skilled and highly educated professionals (sic)â€.

The writer refuted the accusation of mass takfir or branding Muslims as being out of the fold of Islam. The document also denied the accusation of people being dragged off to be executed for not pledging allegiance to the IS.

It appears as if those who have left South Africa have no intention of returning to their homeland.

With regards to having scholars amongst their ranks, the writer claimed that they are present but have remained silent due to the implications of possible reprisals against their family members in their countries of origin.

Cii Broadcasting contacted Ml Ebrahim Bham for comment on the letter. He was unaware of its contents at the time of publication of this article. South African State Security has already stopped two South African teenage girls from reportedly trying to join the IS. Authorities have also been investigating possible recruitment methods and recruiters targeting South Africans.

Earlier this month, department spokesperson Brian Dube told Cii Broadcasting that South Africa is not immune from global affairs. â€œThere is active recruitment (for IS) taking place via social (media) platforms in our countryâ€¦ They are looking for people that they can radicalise and brainwash.â€

Go here to read the whole letter: www.ciibroadcasting.com/2015/05/19/south-africans-in-the-...

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 20th May 2015 11:12

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 00:53

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+ How did these 'Ulama react?

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 08:56

Here is a second letter by some South African Molvi (it seems) who joined ISIS:
www.ciibroadcasting.com/2015/05/21/second-letter-to-south...

Very critical tones about Tasawwuf...

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 10:04

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Reading the second letter.
I understood first few paragraphs completely.
These are about Hazrat Worship!
He then goes full throttle against Madarsa, Tablighi Jama-at and Tasawwuf.
I understand his frustration at the restrictions imposed upon a believer by the Deoband system but Deoband is not a chaotic free will ideology.
Their last G!h@d was against the British and that was less than a hundred years ago.
The Madarsa system did manage to save the Islam that is giving him a high.
Jama-at is carrying out Tabligh work in most adverse circumstances.
He certainly can not find the defining line for the truth but it is difficult to blame him for our external circumstances are rather overwhelmimgly against Islam.
Finally do not ask for further decoding from me for these are really tricky issues.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 10:23

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Indeed, it's a very interesting letter and despite it being quite lengthy I had to read it entirely in one go. Some symptoms he pointed out are true and really plaguing some parts of the Ummah, but his diagnosis deduced from these is totally flawed - let alone his suggested treatment.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 10:24

Mashallah this second letter sounds like a few of our brothers and could easily be mistaken for Mufti A S Desai. The brother has genuine grievanances. I can relate a lot to what the brother is saying. He seems sincere but slightly misled especially on his takfir. These are mistakes a big IF by jahbat ul nusra and others but he has made it into takfir. This seems to be the issue.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 11:00

Guys let me repeat - for last few years these are precisely the issues we have been thrashing in and out. It is clear that we have been hovering near the truth. Of course this brother misses the crux only by a whisker. But to understand that you must have spent a few years on MS, SF, Ummah, IA and the like. That is what we were doing. Strange feeling.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 11:51

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This guy is apprently:

South African (native English speaker)
Studied at a Deobandi Darul-uloom
Stayed with Deobandi Ulama

How come he continously spells in French?

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 12:03

With the greatest respect after reading and evaluating the 2nd letter I refuse to believe that it is written by a Native South African (graduate of a Deobandi Darul-uloom).

1st letter has nothing but non-sense, no facts.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 12:04

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If his childhood played in the 1960's, then he could also be simply new to typing Islamic terms.
Which also makes no sense, because he was most probably like majority of them recruited online.

Just guessing... whatelse can we do?

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 12:13

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1960s South African will have impeccable English i.e. Mufti A. S. Desai (HA), Maulana Adam (HA) etc

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 21st May 2015 12:27

Muadh whoever it is seems to know the deobandi scene quite well. The person has made distinction between India and South African deobandis in certain areas.

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