Benefit of doubt should be given to all Muslims and not just some Muslims. You can say that we should leave the matter and not indulge into slanderous accusations. That is fine (and noble).
But what you are doing is casting doubt on some of those involved in making the accusations upon Maulana Saleem and NAK and then advising people to leave the matter alone. In simpler words, you are trying to (covertly) undermine the allegations and casting doubts upon the character and credibility of those make accusations and then saying “Leave the matter”.
Just like the honour and dignity of Maulana Saleem and NAK needs to be preserved so does the honour and dignity of other (ordinary) Muslims.
Dropping the matter altogether (in an unbiased and impartial) manner is the best advice.
Same question to you. Why is the honour of Maulana Saleem and NAK above and beyond the honour and dignity of a daughter of this Ummat?
That’s the first point, the second point is continuously lost in the background noise so let drop it Insha’Allah.
Let me finish by saying (AGAIN) that I am not saying that these individuals are guilty (far from it) but what I am saying is that if you wish to follow the Sunnah then keep quiet on all fronts. Don’t sing the praises of one party (thus implying their innocence) and then ask to close the thread.
NAK and Bayyinah have access to solicitors and anything marginally malicious will be hit with a lawsuit. Under the circumstances, the only compromise was to have some sort of control on the situation and everybody hoped that (for the sake of Islam) a compromise was reached.
What NAK has (allegedly) done isn’t a crime (in America) but defamation is a matter open to civil litigation.
So far appears to be unconnected to the scandal but significant nonetheless highlighting the character of NAK.
Its not presumptuous, its blatantly obvious.
Omer M Muzaffar was the individual behind the expose is also the individual behind the whole case involving Maulana Abdullah Saleem, similar blueprint in which he created a blog post in order to protect victims as he claimed, this individual is University Chaplain and a Movie critic.
Take a look at what (Dr) Akram Nadwi (HA) is doing, he is clearly planting thoughts in the minds of people that due to NAK proximity to (him) he should be given the benefit of the doubt.
All I am saying is that you should be extending that courtesy to all Muslims (accusers and the accused). Your first approach here was even handed and balanced. Advise Muslims to let go of slander and tittle-tattle without casting doubts on either side. I only commented and brought the news (from the other side) simply because you were casting doubt on the characters of the accusers.
If you wish to disregard Omar Muazzafr that’s fine but what will we do about Dr Ingrid Matson and others?
That’s why I am saying be even handed and unbiased. This was praiseworthy.
May be just my age, or have becomes desensitised by the passage of time and such incidences coming more common, but the things that would have shocked me years ago no longer do... Decades ago as a kid I remember just the fact some one, was getting divorced used to be shocking. Now a days if the newly weds are still married after 5 years you think "Wow".
Personally have always had an uneasy feeling concerning any speakers who speak at mix gatherings not to say they are all corrupt or anything just the temptation and opportunity is there. And alot of these female groupies themselves relentlessly chase these speakers. Offering to becomes second wives, I very much doubt if there is a celebrity Shaykh who has not developed a following of female groupies. Or been asked.... "Shaykh are you looking for a second wife"
I communicated with someone who co-signed the Dr Akram Nadwi letter and I asked them as to what compelled them to sign it when the local community (in Dallas) has been aware of these matters for a while (I am not claiming that these allegations are true). I was asking about their source of information.
They replied that they know about this Omar Muzaffar character. I then asked them what about the six who have investigated and confirmed that there was inappropriate contact between NAK and multiple women (whatever the nature of that contact was!), no response!
This is a Senior scholar so I told them that I am no position to be advising him but NAK has a host of lawyers at his disposal so he will sue to silence everyone in this saga, regardless of innocence or guilt. I suggested to the Shaykh to protect his own reputation.
These are not "Omar Muzaffars"
Once again, I end by saying that we should not take sides. I am only posting the opposite side to make people open their eyes and see that there is another side of this story. I am not saying that Maulana Saleem or NAK are guilty.
I am saying that we should be unbiased, we should not don’t take sides and THEN we should tell Muslims to avoid slander, back-biting etc.
As I said, let’s try to take a pragmatic view on the scandal. Even with taking Omar Muzaffar’s claims and his posts with scepticism and completely and absolutely throwing aside everything he said on face value…Doesn’t change the fact that 6 others have investigated the issue and found substantial evidence of (Islamic) wrongdoing.
This is what (Dr) Akram Nadwi asked and it is exactly what they did.
I am still saying that both Maulana Saleem and NAK should not be assumed to be guilty and should be given the benefit of the doubt.
The reason I am (unfortunately have to bring counter evidence) is to balance your throwing doubt on the scandal based on Omar Muzaffar. I am genuinely ashamed of getting into gutter-rebuttals.
All I saying is EVEN AFTER Omar Muzaffar credibility issues (which you are highlighting) there are other sources which are credible.
STILL, what I am asking you to do is to rise above partisanship and to say what you said earlier i.e. let’s drop the issue and abstain from slander and backbiting. What you are doing is:
Point 1 can be easily countered but for the sake of (Sunnah) behaviour, I don’t wish to get into the gutter.
I am asking you to drop commenting on the specifics of the case and simply stick to 2.
I believe that you are displaying bias, you claim that you are not…That’s fine and lets agree to disagree because I don’t wish to step into the gutter to counter your points.
My second point is completely lost on you which is to try to get to the sources of a story instead of quoting random paradigms (TED, CIA conspiracies Youtube etc)….
We disagree on approaches and that also differ on the conclusions. We are brothers, you have your way and I have mine.
Let me end by saying to everybody.
I am saying to DROP the subject without casting doubts on either side. The Sisters who have made the accusations deserve equal honour, dignity and respect as Maulana Saleem and NAK. Don't take any sides!
If we take NAK's side then we by default accuse multiple Muslim women of lying and deception.
Just like evidence is needed to prove that NAK is guilty. Evidence is needed to prove that these Sisters are lying.
It isn't rocket science to figure this out, is it?
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.