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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 16:55
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WHAT DO I DO WHEN I FIND OUT MY FAVORITE PREACHER IS CORRUPT?
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He is NOT a scholar. This is something he has explicitly stated himself on numerous occasions. He does not like being referred to as a scholar, and even is against people calling him a "shaykh". He is simply a "student of the Qur'an" (as he has stated himself).
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 17:05
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Masha’Allah may of our brothers in this thread were backing traditional Ulama but to be honest we have tons of scandals with them too, they just don’t come out!


May Allah protect us all forgive us and cover our faults. Yes, I only know of the handful of incidents from darul ulooms in which the male teacher is accused of taking advantage of boys or girls. I imagine they would be more that haven't reached the news, or which hasn't resulted in criminal charges.
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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 17:15
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May be just my age, or have becomes desensitised by the passage of time and such incidences coming more common, but the things that would have shocked me years ago no longer do... Decades ago as a kid I remember just the fact some one, was getting divorced used to be shocking. Now a days if the newly weds are still married after 5 years you think "Wow".

Personally have always had an uneasy feeling concerning any speakers who speak at mix gatherings not to say they are all corrupt or anything just the temptation and opportunity is there. And alot of these female groupies themselves relentlessly chase these speakers. Offering to becomes second wives, I very much doubt if there is a celebrity Shaykh who has not developed a following of female groupies. Or been asked.... "Shaykh are you looking for a second wife"

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 17:35
Ustadha Zaynab Ansari wrote in great detail about the sort of behind the scenes stuff that happens on the Celebrity Speakers circuit a couple of years ago...

The first part is called "blurred lines women Celebrity Shaykh's and Spiritual abuse.

muslimmatters.org/2015/05/27/blurred-lines-women-celebrit...

The second part is ...."Student teacher relationships in the digital age."

muslimmatters.org/2015/05/30/drawing-line-sand-student-te...

Ismail Kamdar wrote about female groupies an article called "Shaykh Crushes: Trials in the lives of the men of Knowledge."

muslimmatters.org/2011/06/06/shaykhy-crushes-trials-in-th...
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 17:40
The power of women hey!

Remember Barsisa? We are nothing!

Yet we plead and seek arguments about women not being allowed in the Masjid.

We are weak in this matter, no matter who we are.

The Sunnah is there and the Sunnah is the revelation of the almighty. The Sunnah is was and always should be to keep the women folk at home in safety.

But will we listen? No!
Will we learn? No!
What will we do? Carry on with the wrongs of the world.
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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 18:18
CHECKS AND BALANCES AMONGST IMAMS: AN INTERVIEW WITH SHAYKH TAMEEM AHMADI
By Danish Qasim, Founder | July 17, 2017
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By the time many victims come to us, they have already attempted to address their situation by seeking the help of other shaykhs/imams. Unfortunately, most of our religious leaders are woefully unprepared to address their situation and either do not understand what they are dealing with, completely ignore the victim’s problems, or even blame the victim and take sides with the spiritual abuser. Either way, the victim is let down.

Further complicating the matter, as we have addressed before is that sometimes even when imams have wanted to address the problem, attempting to do so would not only cause harm to themselves but also be ineffective. Nevertheless, in some instances, our imams are also valuable in addressing spiritual abuse because of their influence and networks in holding their peers accountable.

Below is an interview we conducted with Shaykh Tameem Ahmadi where we discuss with him the challenges of being an imam and a success story in addressing spiritual abuse through networks of imam/scholars.

DANISH: What are some challenges that imams face?

SHAYKH TAMEEM: A big challenge is realizing that other people don’t see us as prone to error and as the fallible people that we are. We have marriage problems, family responsibilities, and we also have the constant fear of “burn out”. It’s a constant challenge to have higher standards of righteousness than other practicing Muslims, especially when we are not around our own teachers for continued guidance and company and we are residing in a non-spiritually conducive environment. It’s easier to develop personally when in the company of your teachers, but when you are no longer around them and there’s no environment, it’s easy to fall short.

Many times imams will become active in Dīnī service and forget the examples of their pious teachers- almost like becoming rich and forgetting your roots of poverty. People begin abusing concepts of daroora [necessity] to act in an unbefitting manner and before you know it, you have gone against once dearly held values. We need to remember and constantly be reminded that being an imam is a great trust, and just as the status of an Imam or Alim is very high, the slips and misappropriations of an Imam or Alim are very dangerous as well.

DANISH: What is your advice to current and future imams?

SHAYKH TAMEEM: It’s critical that we never consider ourselves scholars. Read the stories of the Salaf of this Ummah and you’ll be ashamed to even consider yourself a student of knowledge, let alone a “scholar”. Rather, we should see ourselves as khuddām [servants], trying our best to keep ourselves and others above water and saving ourselves and others from drowning in this sea of godlessness. We are servants of the community. We serve the public. We serve the Dīn and Ummah of Sayyiduna Muhammad.

If you think of yourself in this manner, it will keep the nafs [ego] in check. If the imams are sincere in this view, they will not feel entitled to favors, money, or any other ‘perks’ of leadership. They will see it as a responsibility and a trust by God for which they have to answer on the Day of Judgment. Also, imams must set positive examples and positive precedence for others. Have this cognizance that everything I say or do is considered a hujjah [proof] for the laymen. It’s like, if the Imam is doing it or saying it, then it must be ok. This is the toughest thing that we tend to forget as Imams. Literally, everything we say or do can and will be used against us in this life and the hereafter so we have to tread carefully.

DANISH: How important is it for imams to set a positive precedence?

SHAYKH TAMEEM: It has been mentioned in Hayatus Sahaba [Lives of the Companions], if my memory serves me correctly, that after the passing of the Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) if Umar b. al-Khatttāb would be brought delicious food or drink he would recite the verse “You exhausted your pleasures during your worldly life and enjoyed them, so this Day you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation because you were arrogant upon the earth without right and because you were defiantly disobedient.”(Quran 46:20)

He would also say something that all imams have to remind themselves of, “How difficult did Abu Bakr and my beloved messenger (peace be upon him) make it for me. How difficult their standard is.” He was harsh on himself for wanting to enjoy, even the permissible enjoyments. He was worried that by indulging in these pleasures in this life he would be deprived of it in the next life. He knew that the Prophet (peace be upon him) and Abu Bakr never enjoyed them in their lives. He remembered the example of his pious predecessors.

Now, I’ll give you an example of one of my senior teachers and mentors. He was known to be very cautious of gazing at or being alone with young boys close to puberty or young men who had just entered puberty. He did this just to set a precedence that would prevent sexual abuse of children. He would say that he was following his own teachers who also did this to prevent the abuse of what we know is way too rampant. He would constantly speak out against lustful glances at males and females and speak openly about the destructiveness of the disease of lust.

Some might hear this and say, ‘that sounds perverted or weird’, but the reality of the matter is that he was being real with himself and would prescribe the medicine according to the sickness. A “weirdo” or a “pervert” will never speak openly against such things because he is probably affected by that sickness himself. Sometimes he would even get harsh criticism about his speaking openly about this sickness of pedophilia and lustful glances but he didn’t care. He would say, “they don’t feel ashamed of committing such evil actions, why should I be ashamed of speaking against it?!”

So if we think beyond ‘me’ and look at what we can do to prevent abuse, even when it causes a personal inconvenience, we begin to think like leaders.

DANISH: In cases of actual spiritual abuse, have you seen any effective address?

SHAYKH TAMEEM: We actually had a case of a ‘shaykh’ in our community who we caught having inappropriate contact with a female student. The scholars were able to absolve him of his position but he just relocated to a different state. This is another issue we have- teachers can just relocate.

Alhamdulillah, because he and I shared teachers, other imams and I were able to address the situation. We were able to confront him about it and ensure that he wouldn’t become a teacher anywhere else, nor teach at any Islamic school. Whenever he tried to get involved, our people were able to stop him. It was a successful ban and from what we know, he was not involved in any such behavior again. We had proof which we had showed his own teachers, who actually revoked his ijazah [teaching license].

We tried our best to establish checks and balances- we informed the boards of any new organization he attempted to work for and they would immediately take action. He has since gone to college and started a secular career.

DANISH: Alhamdulillah, that’s amazing.

SHAYKH TAMEEM: It’s bittersweet. Obviously I’m happy that we were able to preserve the Dīn, to some extent and able to prevent others from being harmed. Logistically, this wasn’t too difficult given the proof, our shared teachers and shared extended community. However, the whole process emotionally affected me. We were very close and knowing that someone would use their position of authority and the name of their Shaykh to take advantage of someone who put their trust in them, brought tremendous grief and sadness to my heart. Trying to remove someone from their position and have their ijazah taken away is a serious matter. But keeping Allah Ta’ala as a witness above us, we did what we had to do despite the tremendous pain it caused us. This is only because we are all accountable to Allah for all that we say and do, and this Dīn is a serious matter, not something that is restricted to titles, positions, and honorariums.

It was one of the most difficult things I had to do, but it had to be done. For those who are striving to be inheritors of the Prophet (peace be upon him) know that his inheritance comes with tests and hardships. And only with Allah is our ability to do good, and to Him is our return.
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 18:53

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Someday when you are clam, read this to the end.

It is sad and unfortunate that majority of the Muslims are not upon the Sunnah. Many of our brothers and sisters are not practising and it is fact.

Our starting position is not that of Sahabah (RA) ready to adopt Sunnah but that of opposition.

Majority of our women are already “out there”. Any Majlis style solutions will never even be accepted let alone implemented.

The situation with NAK is an indication of the dire straits of the Deobandees, their institutions and their graduates. It is a pathetic reflection of the state of those who are supposed to be upholders of the Sunnah.

As a result (NAK etc) are finding customers and affecting WOMEN IN NIQAAB INSIDE THEIR HOMES via youtube etc.

The tragedy is EXCATLY due to abandoning the Sunnah and the solution being proposed are disastrous.

  1. Tableeghi Jamaat (Ta’leem): This is NOT the solution because frankly most women are not stupid and they get bored.
  2. Deobandi Masjid (solution): Right in front of my eyes deobandee communities are increasingly having Eid dinners, charity, fundraisers etc where free-mixing is occurring. I am looking at daughters and grand-daughters of Ulama involved with major British charities driving this. So when you have restricted the Sunnah-based Masjid solution, Shaytaan have shown them ways which are outside of Sunnah BECAUSE women are already out there.

So what are the solutions?

  • Masjid: Allow TOTALLY SEGREGATED Salah for women (as per the Sunnah) and understand that Jumuah etc are a critical to safeguarding the women. IF YOU DO NOT ALLOW THIS, your women will attend Salafi and Jamat-e-Islami Masajid where Sunnah is secondary.
  • EDUCATION: Have robust TOTALLY SEGREGATED programs for women. No Hazrat, no Shaykh, no XYZ should be allowed at all. Let women have their Islamic programs on the topics of their choice, run by Alims are trained and brought up under the watchful eyes of Ulama (wives, sisters, daughters, grand-daughters etc).

Together, you don’t want to reach the point which concerned is advocating i.e. Sisters praying in the Masjid. You want to reach a point where the Masid has a place and there is NO woman to pray because she says, “I will follow the Sunnah and pray at home!” even though Masjid has space. This is the litmus test of how well your Ulama have taught Sunnah to your women.

The NAK problem is a direct result of two problems:

  1. Secular Masajid: Sister, how are you doing? Sister, have you lost weight?
  2. Mixed (Islamic) gatherings: Men addressing women and vice-versa

It will become increasingly difficult (politically) to address what I am saying and the greatest resistance will be from brothers such as yourself who have a UTOPIC minds-set and often confuse culture with Islam.

How Pushtuns treat women is not necessarily Islam!

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 19:27
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Even these solutions are under threat. "The Muslim Feminist" movements is in the ascendancy. combined with "progressive Islam" crew and women activists who are "Ex Muslim" atheists/and apostates. Not forgetting the main stream media, who have declared war on Modesty within Islam and are engaged in all out propaganda.

These "Feminists" are Pro-activley campaigning for the banning of Hijab in Schools and colleges.

Banning of segregated Islamic events. Others campaigning for female Imams, and women praying shoulder to shoulder to men.

These people have a long term goal they are well organised well funded and their opinions are slowly gaining traction amongst the modern educated classes in particular... Hijabi Models, Hijabi Rap stars. "The Hipster Hijabi phenomenon"

In 20 years time, the landscape could look very different....

ALLAH Help Us...!





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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 19:54
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Which country you live in?
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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 20:19
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Someday when you are clam, read this to the end.

Must be your lucky day :)

I went for optimistic as I feel that is better than anything fully or disagreeing fully.

Women staying indoors and how Pushtun's treat women isn't the same thing.

Women can be dangerous and most of the times its not their fault! It's the men who are lead away from the whispers of iblees and his henchmen.

In fact, I remember when I was more than half the age I am now, I was doing Tawaf and I was distracted by a sister in a veil with only her eyes showing.

It just happened to be that this sister would wear different colour coded veils every time. And I'd see here doing Tawaf near me almost every day.

In front of the ka'bah, the henchmen were there whispering I was there ignoring it, then listening then ignoring it and eventually overpowered them.

So no matter what, like he (saw) taught us, satan runs in our veins no matter who we are or what we think we are.

Is there a way forward? Not really.

Solution? Adhere to the Sunnah as much as possible.
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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 20:26
I knew someone would link this issue with women in the masjid.

Firstly I am not comfortable with the kind of interaction I see between genders from some speakers.

1) Sunnah is also was that women were allowed to pray in the Masjid, regardless of where it is better for them to pray

2) Maulanas have taken advantage of girls and even boys at Darul Ulooms and some have been imprisoned for it. What are you going to do, ban children from going Darul ulooms? There is no free mixing at Darul ulooms

3) the ulama against women going to the masjid to pray, invite them to listen to nasheeds in the masjid and eat dinner! So woman do not stay at home.

4) remeber that the akabir have said that girls madrasah and ladies jamat are also a means to an end. According to them These efforts should result in women staying home and not going in jamat and not going to Darul ulooms.

5) Maulana Tameem Ahmadi, quoted above said in a lecture on gender interactions: "This hadith you cannot deny, that yes women were attending the Masjid. There are other
opinions of scholars that women did not attend the Masjid ……but whatever the case maybe, in
the west, in which most of us live, we know that for some women, and I know women that are
converts to Islam, they don’t have a Muslim family, they don’t have a Muslim community, they
don’t have a Muslim society and you are going to tell them that It is haram for women to
come to the Masjid? Where are they going to learn about Islam? So we understand that the
Prophetic example has been given to us here, that women in the Prophetic time, they used to
attend the prayers and they used to attend the Masjids, that was their community, but they
would attend in such a way where they would keep the balance, where they would keep the
modesty, they would keep the shame and they would keep that segregation between men and
women, in which this is that healthy interaction where men and women are attending prayers
together but there is this level of shame and there is no intermingling going on.”
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 21:45
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I know where your coming from and I know it ain't exactly possible regardless of which country I'm from. But the right way is not the way we live, period.

For the record, I'm as guilty as my mentors, seniors, peers, imams, scholars and laymen alike.
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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2017 23:29
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2017 00:31
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NAK has denied the allegations, no surprise there either.

Although he does have a point, making remarks such as inappropriate behaviour, without clarifying what this means. Causes people to visualise the worst scenarios.







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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2017 00:57
Those who accused him have not clearified anything and going for charecter assasination and posting dubious contains. If he is guilty of anything should be punished instead not holding any lecture live and bla bla!
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