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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 19:15
InshaAllah, with time, I'll start a new topic on these lines as I've been through the same sort of feeling.

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I was a television/movie addict, when i would pray salaat these images would be playing in my mind, I was talking to Allah


It has an effect on us, but we need to turn this around for our benefit inshaAllah.

I'll need a good title though as I really don't know how to explain it. Suggestions welcome.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 20:18
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Ulama e deoband arent infallible. Indeed, I like them very much. The reason is that they're fundamentalist and they want to follow Islam in its pristine form intact, for which they suffer the great loss and which is why they are trailing behind other groups.

For example:

Generally, all the groups are using all modern means of communication (as T.V.) to impress the mass and to enlarge its followers' strength. This commonly used medium for propagation of ideology and views is very effective but ulama e deoband are still abstaining from it.

Perhaps in 2004, jamiat ulama e Hind decided to launch a T.V. Channel to access to people's bedroom as Q TV or Peace TV do, also fund had been collected but when the issue was discussed with darul ulum, senior ulama disagreed to this planning as it's against the shariah.

Most of the people will not like this backward thinking and old ages policies; but they're happy to use other old traditional means to communicate to people.

Is this the reason that Allah swt gave the responsibility to spread the message of Islam among Muslims through TJ....?

In Eidgah Ijtima recently held in Delhi. Hazrat Molana Saad HA clearly stated that this photography or videography is unIslamic (with mobile); and then several TJ workers came out of the gate, took a brick in hands and broke the screen of their mobiles.....

Some of us may think.....how stupid they're....?

But I salute them for loving Islam because......

(Hadis. Rough translation)

''one who follows me, follows Allah Ta'ala and one who follows one's imam, follows me'' (Ibn Maja)
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 20:38
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بسم الله الرحمن اللرحيم


There are two issues at hand..

1.The issue of a Non Alim doing Tafseer of Qur'an and its permissibility.

Hazrat Shaikhul Hadees sahab Nawwar Allahu Marqadahu mentions on account of specialists that there are Fifteen uloom required for the one who does the commentary of the Holy Qur'an. ( For details- Fadhail e Amal, Virtues of Qur'an, Hadith No.8)

Its mentioned in Maariful Qur'an that the one who is not a scholar and does commentary of the Qur'an, then the person and his audience both are sinners. ( I cannot recollect the exact page/ words at the moment)

2. Advocating those who appease the Batil and enemies of Allah سبحانه وتعالى - (unrelated to N.A.K)
I shall highlight this elsewhere إن شاء الله.



Jinn wrote:
it's not a good to act like a 'know it all', in fact this attitude disgusts me people read a few books sit with a few Mashaykh, spend some time in khurooj and other Deeni efforts and all of a sudden that become experts and if anything comes up it don't get pass their radars, my brothers pleasa don't be those guys as their is more harm than good in it by acting this way sadly for many this has become the norm, only if you knew.


I have Husn e dhann that Bro Jinn did not address it to me. So just to clarify if others might have taken it that way:-

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it's not a good to act like a 'know it all'


Kindly know that I accept myself to be a Jahil.. & thats straight from the heart..

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become experts and if anything comes up it don't get pass their radars


Times are of fitnah.. we should all fortify ourselves and augment security at our five senses plus the headquarter which receives the input. And remember the Hadith of our Beloved Hazrat Rasulullah (salallahu alaihi wasallam)

"Hazrat Ibn Abbas (radhi allahu anhuma) narrates from Hazrat Rasulullah (salallahu alaihi wasallam) who informed about the saying of Hazrat Isa (Alaihis salam) that there are three types of actions..
one about whose being Haqq is very clear.. follow it.. , second.. that which is clearly marked as Batil and wrong.. abstain from it.., thirdly that which is neither clearly maked as Haqq or Batil.. send it towards the Alim ( consult him and then act) "

Summary : it means that in matters which are either doubtful or controversial deeming it Haq or Batil.. instead of running ones own thoughts..indulging in vile arguments and unnecessary quarrels..consult an Alim.. and he shall inform you rightly in the light of Qur'an and sunnah..."

Source:http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?51427-speaking-without-knowledge-is-a-dangerous-matter/page2

Yes.. we should all increase the sensitivity of our Radars.. else we might slip into the ditch of happy clappies who turn blind even if 'Hazrat X' appeases gays and Homosexuals.. and then call it Hazrat's Hikmah..

Sorry... id be happy to be chest thumping deobandi anytime than support a gay appeaser.. or fancy a Youtube shaikh when Ulema e Rabbani are around.
And people even disagree with Fatawa of Ulema to promote these..

duas..

wa Assalam..

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 21:01
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Its mentioned in Maariful Qur'an that the one who is not a scholar and does commentary of the Qur'an, then the person and his audience both are sinners. ( I cannot recollect the exact page/ words at the moment)


Read similar text to what's been mentioned quite a while back it was even recommended and forwarded for publishing, its in the introduction section of the first volume of maariful Quran, publication of that extract was refused for publication due to copyright. Someone borrowed my copy where that part was marked and highlighted for reference, unfortunately it was never returned, so can't check :-(
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 21:52

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Neither Dr Israr Ahmed (RA) nor his (indirect student) NAK actually do Tafseer, they use Qur'aan as motivational tool and to encourage people. I was the same opinion as you as per Fazaile-Amaal UNTIL I read the works of Shah Waliullah (RA) on Qur'aanic education and he (RA) differs with Hazrat Shaykh (RA) on the matter.

Also see what Shaykhul-Hind (RA) said on his return to India.

With the greatest respect and request for your duas. 

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 22:05
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salaam.

As I have already stated multiple times, and as Mu'adh khan has already re-iterated, NAK does not do Tafseer. His "tafseer" is to find gems in the Qur'an and get people to appreciate the linguistic beauty of it. He encourages and motivates people about the deen through the Qur'an. Please understand that. There is NO academic tafseer/commentary he does. Your entire post here was irrelevant shaykh. I am the first to speak against people who speak without knowledge, I even made a thread in SF regarding it. What NAK does is NOT that.

Here is a short excerpt from one of his talks: www.muftisays.com/forums/51-urdu-nasheeds/8457-the-story-...

Here is one of his video about controlling anger:
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Kindly take some time to listen to the audios before making a judgement. These are just simple societal issues and problems he give naseehsa on through the Qur'an. Im sure you've been inspired or been impacted by a non-scholar before. This is exactly what NAK does for the youth.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 26th February 2014 22:13
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Alhamdulillah, may Allah increase you in your knowledge, Sister.

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 11:05
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Summary : it means that in matters which are either doubtful or controversial deeming it Haq or Batil.. instead of running ones own thoughts..indulging in vile arguments and unnecessary quarrels..consult an Alim.. and he shall inform you rightly in the light of Qur'an and sunnah..."


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In my view this is nothing but hypocritical behaviour and double standards of pick and choosing. Sad thing is we all do this from time to time to push further our own opinions.

Mufti Desai gave fatwa about SF, how many left SF due to the fatwa ? None, yes SF was mocked on other forums that one of its own gave a fatwa against it. Why didn't you leave SF akhii ? At the end of the day it's the fatwa of Ulema Kiraam, but I didn't see you boycotting SF. AskImam gave fatwa against Maulana Tariq Jameel, how many have left Maulana TJ as a result ? None, open your eyes wherever he travels thousands flock to his gatherings worldwide, mention the fatwa of Mufti Desai against him to them and Wallahi they will laugh in your face. Mufti Desai gave a few fatwas, and in many he refuses to give any source, and when asked for Daleel he says oh these are the words/practices of our akabireen, I'm sorry but in this day and age of fitnah that ain't good enough. On one of his websites he mentioned condoms to bring an instrument/tool of Jahannum, as a result doctor how many have/will stop using condoms worldwide ?? So you follow the rulings that suit your whims and fancy, why not his other rulings ?? As that's what it certainly seems.

Point is many of his opinions aren't even the consensus of the ahlus Sunnah. Many many Ulema have criticised it and I have spoken to these Ulema, yes they hold the South Africans in high esteem especially for the way they have dealt with the salafis, but they do not take their fatwas on board and of mufti Desai many avoid him, I myself have been told to avoid him, obviously you've seen mashala his awesome akhlaq, character, speech etc which is why he is a laughing stock for so many online.

In the UK the Ulema rate Ustadh Nauman Ali Khan very highly and I've asked and confirmed this myself, not just an e-thing but in person.

Stop the hating and criticism doctor, Wallahi it'll get you no where mark my words. Many brothers ruin their spiritual level due to unfair criticism of others, seen it happen. Remember that ahadith a person utters a word and he'll be thrown into the pits of Jahannam ( to the nearest meaning ) without even knowing it.

Today we live in such a day and age, were rulings can be bought, were Islam is bought and sold. Islam has become a commodity, every aspect of Islam has been put on sale, be it being close to a shaykh or learning Arabic or going to Hajj/Umrah with a big alim/shaykh and many more, all can be achieved with money and that's the truth and you sit here and criticise someone who teaches Arabic for peanuts ? You claim to be a jahil but you criticise someone who has been a means of hadayyah for millions, who has made the Quran accesible for all ages. Please suggest an decent alternative for the masses as you don't like him. 11$ a month what a bargain, Insh'Ala when I get a chance I'll list all the tafseers he uses. So don't criticise someone without reason and without knowing the full facts

So don't unjustly criticise those who are doing more good than yourself, because your criticism is unjustified and the points you make are irrelevant and stink of hypocrisy. Sorry for being blunt.


والسلام


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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 14:53
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Salaam.

Masha'Allah, hard-hitting post. Sadaqta wa bararta! (You've spoken the truth, And you have spoken good!) Only thing I'd like to to say is that the fatwa posted by dr sahib was from Mufti EBRAHIM Desai, not Mufti AHMED SAADIQ Desai. People always confuse the two. But it doesn't matter, your post still stands. Its all double standards.

Wassalaam.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 15:00

Off topic post: If Deobandees are not careful with their avoid him and avoid that Fatwaas and throwing people OFF and ON the Manhaj they will become worst laughing stock then the Madkhalees!

May Allah (SWT) protect us all (Ameen).

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 15:36

Last Comment on Noman Ali Khan (Insha'Allah):

I don't say this out of pride but I have actually listened to Dr Israr Ahmed (HA), read the opinions of Ulamah on him, read his responses (back to the Ulamah) and also discussed him with Ulamah in detail.

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Noman Ali Khan is a graduate from his Academy so the standard of education shines through.

Negative:

BUT Noman Ali Khan is NOTHING like Dr Israr Ahmed (RA) or his personal students in terms of get-up or Sunnah or attire or segregation or knowledge or know-how, although his impressive in the western world.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 15:43
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My concern with N.A.K is, as i say again..

- Permissibility of a non scholar doing Tafseer of Qur'an...

when u all say that he doesnt do Tafseer.. i take it from u, no arguments.

but to a lay man.. he sees a suited booted gentleman giving a commentary of the Qur'an.. and then later looks down upon the ulema who are already made to show by the modernists as an obstacle in the progress of Islam.. that Islam is being pushed to the middle ages by these turban wearing people.. the way they dress etc..

I guess there is no dearth of good scholars in the UK like Shaikh Hasan Ali (haf) etc.. who click with the youth..

Also i shall go through the Al Fauz ul Kabeer link given by colonel sahab إن شاء الله


duas..

wa Assalam..

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 15:55
Sorry to stick my 2 pence in. I have watched Nouman Ali Khan and he has good presentation skills. I have not heard him say anything controversial. At the same time I do wonder at people who start thinking each and every person is a big shot. With regards to true ilm in tafsir well in the English language there is shaykh saleem nawab www.hikmah.co.uk. In urdu there is a mufti zar wali khan. There is a huge difference in class between these mashaikh and Nouman Ali khan. At the same time credit needs to be given to the likes of NAK for making the Quraan more accessible to the masses. The same is true of Dr Israr. Some members of my family listen to him and I watched him a few times. Apart from doing some sort of translation of the Quraan and brining the message of the quraan to the masses (this is a great duty no doubt) I can't say these are masters of Tafsir. Laymen get impressed very easily.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 16:05
There is however no doubt that tafsir of the Quraan needs to be emphasised and propagated amongst the masses. The Quraan is a sea without shore. In our local area maulana Muhammad patel miftahuljannah.org/wphome/ whose tafsir can be found on the site has been doing tafsir for like close to 3 decades. The same is true with shaykh saleem nawab. He has been doing tafsir for many years. www.hikmah.co.uk/?cat=5 I mean instead of getting into nitty, gritty fiqh/aqeedah issues the ummah needs to go back to the Quraan.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 27th February 2014 16:05

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That I agree with. Dr Israr Ahmed (HA) and his students NEVER appeared like this without a big Beard/Topi and NO WOMEN at all! It is a fundamental policy of Tanzeem to have 4 layers of segregation between men and women famous phrase from Dr Israr Ahmed (RA) from his Dars of Qur'aan.

English (summary): Segregation is blatantly declared in the Qur’aan in Surah Ahzab, Surah Nur etc and if you want to discuss it logically then let’s talk about Sigmund Freud. He says that sexual (attraction and desire) is the most potent of human (base desires) even if a mother looks at her son and father looks at his daughter, it is through this. I say this is BAKWAAS (non-nense) but I agree with him that that sexual (attraction and desire) is strong so from my limited understanding, Islam calls for four layers of segregation:

  1. Societal Segregation: Imagine that there is a barrier in society at every level between a man and a woman, there is no free mixing at all!
  2. Home: The position of a woman is her home, that’s her work location and her domain of (influence). Yes if she to emerge then she must cover herself completely and utterly
  3. House Boundary: Houses should be constructed in a way that there is an external Guest house where guests can come and the women folks can carry on with their household duties and activities uninterrupted. What I am saying is that male and female areas are to be separate! If a male guest comes then let him sit in the male section and even amongst close relatives if a Ghair-Mehram comes then he won’t be allowed in the inner (female) section. The only men allowed inside (female) section are brothers, sons, father etc the ones who are declared Mehram in the Qur’aan
  4. Dress: The fourth layer of segregation is her dress, it must not only cover her whole body but should have two additional characteristics:
    1. It should be THICK so the complexion of the body are not evident
    2. It should be LOOSE so the contours and curvature of the body are not evident

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Engineer Naveed Saheb appears on TV in Urdu and you can click and look at his style and attire yourself.

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NAK is ofcourse nothing like this!

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