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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 00:52
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Your words: "I don't say self study is harmful but it should be done after taking permission from knowledgeable Ulama."


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Really? This is something I heard first time. Why would even one should take permission for self study? Do you mean you can't pick a book yourself to read? But many do so.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:00
If you don't know how to apply the verses of the Quran or the Hadith, you will be going astray.

You speaking like a true Ghair Muqallid.

There are plenty of articles in the Taqleed and True Salaf sections. Please read them before making such comments.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:03
I understand Taqleed. which is wajib upon layman.

Brother Black Turban what do you exactly mean by "I don't say self study is harmful but it should be done after taking permission from knowledgeable Ulama." I may have misunderstood.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:05
This is what happens when you self study and try to work things out for yourself.

You need to know how to use the tools of studying, otherwise, no matter how many books you read, you will never know how to apply it's rules.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:11
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Do you mean you can't pick a book to read, before reading you'd have to take permission from Ulama?

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:19
No, we read books that have already been explained and taught before.

What we don't do is pick up books from a mixture of schools, or pick up the Qur'an or a Hadith book and try to understand them ourselves.

We need to know the science behind these topics. We must not take things literally.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 01:21
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 02:06
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Sister, perhaps I couldn't make my point clear. I'm extremely sorry for that. I meant none of us (layperson) should try to educate ourselves. We need guidance of qualified teacher. Because how can we distinguish between Haqq and Baatil? Sunnah and Bida'h? How can someone know that a certain book contains no error? Is Aqeedah of the author correct or erroneous?

If we assume that a certain book is correct in all aspects eg. Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi etc, still self study is dangerous. Because every Hadith has a specific meaning. If a person doesn't study Hadith under guidance of a teacher, then he/she will mess everything up. The science of Tafseer, Hadith and Fiqh is very sensitive. Therefore, we should be extremely cautious. Like anatomy/genetics/quantum mechanics/machine design, Islamic sciences also depend on teachers to learn.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 03:23
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Abu Muhammed's words: You speaking like a true Ghair Muqallid.

There are plenty of articles in the Taqleed and True Salaf sections. Please read them before making such comments.[/quote]

This was quite annoying. I asked a question. And I mean just a simple question.

The question was directed to user Black Turban so you should have let him answer before making such comments.


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Black Turban's words: Sister, perhaps I couldn't make my point clear. I'm extremely sorry for that.




It's okay. And don't be sorry.

[quote] Black Turban's words: I meant none of us (layperson) should try to educate ourselves. We need guidance of qualified teacher. Because how can we distinguish between Haqq and Baatil? Sunnah and Bida'h? How can someone know that a certain book contains no error? Is Aqeedah of the author correct or erroneous?

If we assume that a certain book is correct in all aspects eg. Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmidhi etc, still self study is dangerous. Because every Hadith has a specific meaning. If a person doesn't study Hadith under guidance of a teacher, then he/she will mess everything up. The science of Tafseer, Hadith and Fiqh is very sensitive. Therefore, we should be extremely cautious. Like anatomy/genetics/quantum mechanics/machine design, Islamic sciences also depend on teachers to learn.


I understand this. Jazakallahu khair.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 11:47
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Apologies if you were annoyed. To warn someone is better then to wait for them to have a misunderstanding.

Better late than never :)

I'm sure you meant it in the best manner, جزاك الله خيرا
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 11th January 2014 18:07
sister maria, yes there are certain books which are not for laymen or women to read without permission, as one might go astray, or may not understand it wrongly, or the book can be at times too heavy for one, it depends sister..

there is nothing strange about it my sister, its for our own good
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2014 00:50


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Jazakallahu khair.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2014 06:22
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Sister, self study isnt prohibited but it's better if done under the guidance of Ulama.

You read one 'lesson' daily and then consult to any alim that what you've understood, tell him. Sometimes we understand wrongly and begin to adhere to it, consequently, we're misled.

''wa yudhillu bihi kasiran wa yahdihi bihi kasira.

Also I do self study but I never forget to keep in touch with my elders. Alhamdulillah I'm highly benefited by this way of self-study. My elders guide me if I'm wrong.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 13th January 2014 01:29
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Quite right.


I always ask, as I always doubt myself. But people really seem to have a problem with it. If they're perfect, know everything and don't doubt anything, by now they must know that not everyone in this world are like them, they seriously need to change their behavior towards me if not anyone else. I have not owe anyone any explanation for my questions that I must always explain. seriously I'm tired of giving people explanation that when I'm asking a question then it means I'm simply asking a question.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 13th January 2014 16:23
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Sister, from SF experience you know how trolls keep themselves cloaked in the form of learner. In fact trolling has made peace loving users paranoid. You are just a victim of paranoia, nothing else. You can ask sister Acacia to provide security for you- as a sort of chaperone.
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