Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,
I can safely say that none of you personally (and family) have been subjected to so much abuse, vile hatred, slander and accusations from Sunniforum as I have. I am banned and people still make accusations about me and my Aqeedah and none of those posts are removed or commented upon to say that he doesn’t have a chance to defend him so move on. It happens on IA but on SF where people send me random links of people whom I don’t even know reprimand the poster that I am not like this or not like that and most importantly I am not there to speak.
I have been permanently banned for calling someone a Reverend from South Africa (repeating the words of Mufti A.S. Desai (HA)) which I didn’t even know that:
I have since emailed both Mufti A. S. Desai (HA) and Shaykh (Maulana) Ebrahim Bham (HA) and explained to them that their South African dispute has resulted in this carried out by South African Scholars knowing fully well that I have never been to SA nor knew about it.
All in all they SF Mods/Admins/Shura don’t have a leg to stand on the issue. In addition, there are Key Ulamah & Mashaykh of UK who have personally offered to call the Ulamah of SF to find out about their problem with me! Others have spoken and offered to intervene so it is something personal which they can't get over.
All of this preamble to just show you that none of have suffered anywhere remotely as much as I have and not to start a campaign to get me unbanned.
YET I rigorously defend Sunniforum laymen and Ulamah/Mashaykh and will continue to do so because these are my people and they are connected to my Ulamah & Mashaykh and I will defend them and their actions as long as Shariah permits it.
Their personal hatred for me will not stand in my way to defend the work of our Akabir & Mashaykh. We need to look at the bigger picture. No doubt that Sunniforum has been destroyed and dragged into the Gutter from where it once was (and those in charge admit it publicly and privately), nevertheless it is the hangout for so many Sufees and "Self-appointed Deobandees" who will have nowhere to go and associate with. Over the years the direction the forum has taken has done serious damage to the cause of Deobandees and specially Tassawuff because you have all kinds of people airing their views (unchallenged) providing fuel to Non-Deobandees to pounce upon and destroy e.g. ridiculous allegations that Shaykh Al-Albani (RA) was the first one to ever propose that the Salah of men and women is the same to badly written copy/paste refutations to misspellings and grammar errors to many of the blogs which are frankly a joke to anyone who reads it dispassionately and objectively.
Sunniforum (apart from a few attempts) has actually lowered the level of Academic discourse for the Deobandees because they all hang around at the same place (like an Island) and get away unchallenged. Sunniforum of the past was Academically challenging and rigorous because others challenged you and took you on, now the forum is regarded as some sort of an Indian/Pakistani hangout bereft of Academia.
The Shura and Admins have deliberately or unknowingly lowered the Academic threshold of the forum and lowered the bar to simply maintain the interactions to:
If anything doesn't fit 1-6 then it is moved to Detailed discussions.
It is a great shame because they could be instrumental in highlighting people like Yasmin Mogahed (Mujahid), my teacher Shaykh (Dr) Akram Nadwi (HA), Suhaib Webb, Hamza Yusuf, Zaytouna and why laymen should avoid stay away in a professional competent and professional manner. They should have a library of articles, speeches, Nasheeds, blogs, sites and videos (if they deem it permissible) checked and vetted by Ulamah and knowledgeable people for laymen to access so laymen would have no need to google around the web looking for things. They should have a dedicated Islamic Q/A section on multiple Madhahib where Authentic, competent Ulamah respond in a timely manner. They should have a dedicated Tassawuff section where Authentic, competent Mashaykh respond in a timely manner and not the current incoherent posts and more confusion.
NEVERTHELESS Sunniforum is associated with Deobandees so for the sake of our Brothers & Sisters support it.
Muftisays doesn’t have resources, the personnel and the membership anywhere near SF but take a good look at what one man team of Maulana Yasin has done.Take a look at the one woman endeavours of Aapa Ummi Talib on Islamicteachings.org
Imagine if SF actually worked to what its capable of.
Same goes for Tableegh or Tassawuff. These are our brothers and sisters and our Ulamah & Mashaykh.
We should seriously disagree with their lack of movement and positive contributions and should continue to voice our disagreement and urge them to fulfil their potential BUT these are our flesh and blood! One can’t excise its own body parts just because of the pain. You feel the pain and yet you somehow find the tenacity and the courage to carry on!
Its foolish to start picking on Sunniforum just because they pick on Tableegh of whatever. Rather, make the point that they are sitting on a vast potential.
Some people have emailed me to say that I left SF because they don't banned you. That's foolish! You should work to better the Deen of Allah (SWT) and to raise his Kalima I am a nobody.
Mufti Shuaibullah Khan Saheb [db] is:
*Among the top Muftis of India, among the creme.
*Also a (True, superb taqwa-esque) Shaikh of Tasawwuf.
*Student of Maseeh al Ummah Maulana Maseeullah Khan [rh].
*One of the founders of or the founding father of Tahaffuz e Shariyatt movement in India.
*Hugely respected by Maulana Arshad Madani and Mufti Palanpuri.
*The voice of Huqq against anti Madhabism.
*Among the shura of Mazahir al Ulum, Saharanpur.
*Also an author having written more than 50 books and counting. Alhamdulillah.
Hadrath in many of his speeches during the Tahaffuz e Shariyatt conference and otherwise said that (and I'm sure we agree) the fitnah of anti madhabism spread through the Internet.
Now this is being said where? India.
India - where the Internet penetration is still to catch up i.e., not as much as in the west.
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What it means?
a. The Ulamah e Deoband missed the Internet bus.
b. That the public cannot be stopped from going online, from reading whats online etc etc etc.
c. And more importantly, the Internet was successful in moulding opinions.
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In such a scenario, where millions are logging on to the Internet from their PC's, Laptops, Mobiles and Tablets, the traditional Islam's outpost's on the Internet [MS, SF, many many more etc] have a great responsibility, their admins, their mods, the content they put up, the discussions they encourage all play a great role in moulding people's thinking, even though we may dismiss it but the results speak for themselves.
Bangladesh apostates as one more example...
My site, theijtema.com and other websites have been continiously attacked by apostate / apostates, I even had to disable certain features so they don't publicize themselves using my content.
Why am I saying all this?
Because the Internet is already the new turf where wars are gonna be played.
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Yet, the common layman like me knows on a Barelwsi website or a Salafi website - the Ahlul Huqq will be reviled, vilified...
But when that same common layman visits a Deobandi website and reads the insults to a particular effort of Deen packaged as advices [the real people behind would NEVER push down those advices down the throats of people] - imagine what he is going ot think? What will it do to the azmath that he has towards the effort?
What should be said when a public platform is ALLOWED to belittle not just a particular aalim e deen connected with the effort but....
I have NEVER asked people to go with Ml Saa'd opinion but have said HE HAS A RIGHT TO SAY SO - What he said wasn't even new, it was also said by Qari tayyib [rh] and Maulana Manzoor Noamani [rh] - yet they don't get it. You are good only when you toe their line.
Maulana Sa'ad [db] for example is a product of both the efforts unlike others.
Which is why I chose to defend on MS, their superficiality made me do it, anything that goes against their line of thinking or what their Shaikh says is
*deleted
*moved to the private forums
*locked
*and the member rebuked with no answers forthcoming.
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Brother, sure we know you have been dealt with harshly, but I too was with them since 4 years and it hurts a lot too.
Was I defending MY views? No. If it was so, they'd have been right in saying what they say.
But the views were of Ml Sa'eed Ahmed Khan [rh], Qari tayyib [rh], Ml Manzoor [rh] and Ml Sa'ad [db].
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I don't know about the Users but I miss the galvanisations, projects and work which was generated from 2006 + onwards. Many of the initiatives which Deobandees did were discussed on SF, formulated on it and came to fruition through it; that’s the loss.
Our Akabir wanted to create Idaaray (institutes) which created Afraad (people) and that’s the essence of Tableeghi Jamaat it’s a walking Idaara (institute) to created Afraad (people) and when you try to create Idaaray (institutes) you will need to work with people who disagree with you because as Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Khan Saheb (HA) that creativity and genius means disagreement.
If everybody agreed with you then you have a problem. Tassawuff (modern day) DEMANDS ABSOLUTE agreement and conformance and that’s the issue with Deobandees today (worldwide) and this is the issue which led to the decline of Madkhalees in the west and narrow minded Ahl-e-Hadeeth in India/Pakistan. They became a straitjacket sect i.e. you are either with us or without us. The focus on negative Dawah and refutation is eating the Deobandees in the west just like what happened to Madkhalees, first they became a fringe group and instead of reacting they kept insulating them even further and now they are the running joke of town
On the Manhaj
Off the Manhaj
There is an interesting episode about the Bay’t of Shaykh Syed Ahmed Shaheed (RA) when he went to do Bay’t to a Shaykh and upon mentioning of Tassawur he pulled back his hand and said, “I don’t agree with this so I won’t do Bay’t with you”...Shaykh smiled and then he changed the condition of Bay’t, try doing that to a Shaykh today!
Most users whom you mention had one disagreement or another for which they have been thrown off the Deobandi bus despite Maulana Taliban and Maulana e-teacher being Ulamah (nearly Muftees). Madkhalees do exactly the same and you are thrown off the Manhaj bus for disagreeing no matter how valid. Some of these users are now on other forums and parts of other groups where whatever dispute they initially had has been widened. Some of them have been labelled Non-Deobandi so they wear it with pride. Ostracizing people doesn’t work and makes your brand weaker and narrower.
I spoke to a Mufti for over an hour about this 2 days ago. Believe me when I say that we will pay a heavy price for this.
SF just reflects the thinking of Deobandees (worldwide) which is getting narrower and restricted and the results can already be seen that innovation is curtailed and hampered. Go to old British & American mosques and look at the old English books which were mostly Indian/Pakistani Deobandi (then South African) and look today. Would our people tolerate an Ahmed Deedat today? A Non-Scholar giving Dawah? In fact he wasn't tolerated when he was alive as I am old enough to remember!
[QUOTE: I don't know about the Users but I miss the galvanisations, projects and work which was generated from 2006 + onwards. Many of the initiatives which Deobandees did were discussed on SF, formulated on it and came to fruition through it; that’s the loss. 46684:Muadh_Khan]
Alhumdulilllah MS was for me like that around 6 years back. not saying isnt anymore but those years ...most of the stuff in my area was due to ramblings and discussions on here...which gave us encouragement to implement on the ground here
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
Please wait...
