2. To which Shaikh of Tasawwuf was Imam Shafi' iee bayt to?

The message has been conveyed to Mufti Ibn Adam (HA).

@bro Muadh and abu mohammed, just because I created a thread asking which Imam was bayt to who - you all got frustrated and started talking of provocation and drifting away and what not, and this on an Internet forum...

Imagine what happens when a mufti (and not just referring to mufti kawthari) sitting on a mimbar, through bayans and what not provokes the simple tablighis by saying if Imam Abu Hanifa has done 3 days and 40 days? Reflect on your posts.

This was a small setup, an experiment I did to show you guys - I knew well Hadrath wasn't bayt.

And if a non-Ilmi tablighi asks you back, you call it provocation?

These are double standards which I absolutely hate, and this is what makes the awaam common tablighi move away from the non-tablighi ulamah's.

And tell you what - there isn't a soul (Shaikh or Ulamah) who has the guts and gumption to take up this matter..

What you get called if you respond to this is either a cultist or a fanatic. A good hearted ulamah would only say "Look this is a tarteeb, this wasn't there at the time of the Sahabah [ra] - but has been done by the mashwara of the great elders' - which is what we also hear in tabligh mashwara, ijtema, jor.

Not get told, "Hey! Did your dad such and such things?!'

Drifting away from any effort of Deen is not a loss to the Deen, its a loss to our ownselves. Its just like if somebody accepts or leaves Islam, Islam wont' be a winner or loser.

but moulana ilyas رضي الله عنه himself did not have this attitude. moulana ilyas رضي الله عنه himself utilised ulama and mashaikh who were not part of tabligh jamaat in order to guide and teach those who were part of tabligh jamaat. even moulana zakariyya رضي الله عنه did not participate in tabligh and was more attached to the khanqah, yet the one book utilised by tabligh jamaat was written by him.

YOU WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS TABLIGH JAMAAT BUT YOU WANT THE LIBERTY TO HAVE THAT EXACT SAME ATTITUDE TOWARDS EVERY OTHER EFFORT WHICH IS NOT TABLIGH JAMAAT.

if you keep making threads like these about tabligh jamaat on discussion forums then expect people to join in the discussion and add their own opinions and views.

if you do not want to have a discussion, or if you do not like it when people add their own views and opinions, then do not post such things on discussion forums. its as simple as that.

if you just want to give your own views and opinions and do not care to learn from other peoples views and opinions then just post on a blog and disable the comments. problem solved.

comments like these do not do you any favours at all and is not a good attitude to have. it is akin to a baby throwing out his toys from his cradle.

as for my time, it is upto me how i use it and has nothing to do with you. i can easily make such comments about your time, but do not see how that can benefit this discussion. please refrain from these type of snide comments in the future. jazakallah khair.

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have known him personally for over 10 years but lets imagine what you are saying is correct and he has an Agenda regarding Tableegh and wants to bring it down.

Lets also assume that Mufti Ibn Adam (HA) also has an Agenda against Tableegh?

Then isn't this exactly what you are doing about Tassawuff?

How does their wrong make it right for you? At which point do you stop and look at the noble character of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) for guidence? Isn't this just tit-for-tat debate with no outcome?

Wa alay kum as salaam,

I have explained quite clearly the reason for doing so. And there is no need I feel to expound on this further. 

If you think this was against tasawwuf (for the nth time, like others), then let it be so, 'coz I can't break it down further.

So this too was against tasaawuf? Wow.

You know when there is Turf wars between 2 gangs people on both sides die and innocent people suffer.

People involved in Tassawuff have a seriously arrogant attitude and they think that they are better then everyone else (despite what Tassawuff is supposed to mean) and we can't change that and they won't even listen to us lowly people because:

1. We are beneath them
2. We are not their Shaykhs and Islah can only be done by their Shaykh

The purpose of Tableegh is to invite people towards Allah (SWT) & Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and if the pride of a Tableeghi gets hurt in the process then so be it but his/her Aakhira will be made.  Shaykh (Maulana) Ilyas Kandhalwi (RA) said that even if you have to grab the feet of a Muslim to ask them to come to the Sunnah then do it!

There are plenty of Non-Deobandees taregtting Ulamah of Deobandees, their methodology and their work so we don't need Tassawuff vs Tableegh feud amongst ourselves.

If the Sufees can't give it up then for the pleasure of Allah (SWT) you should give it up!

Jazakullah Khairun