stopincest wrote:
Why does permissible mean must for muslims and Pakistanis?
Most of the forced marriages in the UK are to cousins in the Bradford area
Changing the subject title does not change the fact that cousin marriage is INCEST[/quote]
It is just as easy to use your "personal opinions" to act like you've answered anything we said. As Muadh clearly put, "what's your point"?
I said, "It's permissible"
You asked, "Why does permissible mean must for muslims and Pakistanis?"
I don't see, read or hear anyone saying "MUST" - Mediocre reporters do this. They twist and mix and put false accusations and state them as facts. May Allah help you, honestly.
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Secondly I said, "Forcing this on anyone is not right" along with if it goes on then it's not part of Islam so how do you come to the conclusion that it's Muslims? Because of your local area? Because you know 2 or 3 stories? Or because you read it or saw it on TV?
You ignored it though! I do hope you're not just here to cause Fitnah.
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I also couldn't help but feel for naivety when you said, [quote]There are studies which prove this
Well, since you follow studies and believe them to hard accurate fool-proof facts, here's some facts for you too (all studies and historical facts)
Hasan & Husain (Radhiyallahu 'Anhumaa) were 2 of the most greatest individuals in so many ways, no need to go into details. They're parents were also cousins
Just in case you put it down to Islam, here's some non-Islamic names since it sounds like that's what you prefer:
Albert Einstein, his kids were "geniuses" (note the quotes)
If you're in the UK then be careful because Queen Victoria also married first cousin
An estimated study shows that 20 percent of married couples in the world are first cousins
History shows that 80 percent were first cousins - I'm just wondering why 80% of the population are not mental, physically challenged or confused in education since you believe that's what it causes?
In fact, do you want to know a more recent "study"
Current studies indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages -- perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar. According to your reasons, this study now means that marrying anyone else except for cousins is incest.
An finally, for now, the most shocking "study" which will probably make you incest too:
No two people are more distantly related than 50th cousins. Hence, genetically we are all cousins
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As for the title, I will put it another way for you if it helps:
Please have a little shame and some respect for other readers, towards your Lord and for his Deen. Do not state something which is made permissible on mankind to be incest as your faulting Allah and reaching the border's of Kufr as Allah is Perfect, his decree is final and anyone who tries to change the words of Allah. (Refer to the Qur'aan 10:64, 6:34 are just 2 examples to help you)
I was under the impression that this practice has stopped or at least gone down a little. By all means, you can have an issue with forced marriages as ALL good knowledgeable and practicing Muslims are firmly against forced marriage
I do apologise if I was harsh in any of my words but the truth is always harsh no matter how lightly it's put when it contradicts your firm beliefs. But to turn it into what you have is just laying down the red carpet for Shaytaan. Please be careful.