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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 12:15
The issue is not about cutting all ties. I'm talking from experience and when my son was in darul uloom he was "cut off" from all outside ties. He and others still have to make sacrfices of leaving the comforts of home....the issue is the suggestion that only darul ulooms abroad are good enough for this sacrifice
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 12:30
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I am sure there must be some great Darul Uloom in the uk to (brother) Muadh khan. Not every one can afford out of uk. wasalam.
Asslamo Allaikum, In UK Darul-ulooms charge a fee while overseas they are free so in act its cheaper to go overseas and not more expensive because it will just cost the Airfare and thats all. I never said that there are no "good Darul-ulooms" in UK but I am talking about a better choice. If someone is committed then it would make sense to go for the best available option. Another option is to do a year or so in UK and then go overseas. People of the past used to tarvel to get to the best teachers and that didn't mean that they disrespected their local teachers. Who is in UK of the level of Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) of Pakistan? OR even Shaykh (Maulana) Fazlur-Rahman Azmi (HA) of South Africa? Or Azadville (South Africa)? Again, that doesn't mean that UK teachers and Darul-ulooms are not good and that's not the point of this discussion. For the record, I am not criticising anybody or anyone, just offering a better choice and everybody is free to make up their mind.   Jazakullah Khairun
What about living expences?
Asslamo Allaikum, Free! If you want I can try to put you in touch with some Ulama in South Africa and assist you in your cause. Please understand my point of view. If you are going to commit/spend 6-7 years of years and make an intention to Serve the Deen of Allah (SWT) then TRY TO BE THE BEST AT IT!    


Free? wow no one even gives water for free these days.subhanallah.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 12:34
I guess if brother Muadh was a resident of SA, he would still say "go abroad", to may be UK. Unless he knows something we dont, or the method of teaching, principles, pass rate, etc etc.
Allahu alum.

We all pray to Allah to guide us in the right direction. Which brings us to Istikhara, May be those it concerns should make Istikhara.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 13:00

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If you are going to commit/spend 6-7 years of years and make an intention to Serve the Deen of Allah (SWT) then TRY TO BE THE BEST AT IT!    
assalaamu 'alaykum i'm begining to take offense to such strong words which imply that good darul ulooms are ONLY found abroad and not in the UK..A lot of it also upto the students, the more taqwa they adopt while attaining knowledge of Deen the more success they attain and they become the best of the best

Asslamo Allaikum,

I have 3 times very clearly stated what I am trying to say so the error must be at my end for not being clear despite repeating it.

When people travelled to Imam Abu Haneefa (RA) to Kufa to acquire knowledge nobody implied that Sufyan At-Thawri in Basra or Imam Malik Ibn Anas (RA) in Madina were "bad Scholars".

It has been the legacy of Islam to travel far and wide to seek the great Scholars and if you can tell us who is in UK of the rank of Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) or Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Fazlur Rahman Azmi (HA) or Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (HA) in UK, I’ll be grateful.

Please discuss the Sanad of Hadeeth of British Scholars and their Tafaqahu Fid-deen with Ulama listed above and very clearly prove your point if you beleive that there are Scholars in UK of that rank and we will sit at their feet, Insha'Allah.

Again, for the fourth time it DOES NOT mean that Scholars of UK are deficient or institutes in UK are unsatisfactory but as you would well know that it is the custom of Muslim to travel far and wide to great Scholars of (Hadeeth etc.) to obtain the best Sanad.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 13:06

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I guess if brother Muadh was a resident of SA, he would still say "go abroad", to may be UK. Unless he knows something we dont, or the method of teaching, principles, pass rate, etc etc. Allahu alum. We all pray to Allah to guide us in the right direction. Which brings us to Istikhara, May be those it concerns should make Istikhara.

So are you saying that I am being biased or something? : -) And implying that if I was in Pakistan then I would tell people to abandon Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) or if I was in India I would tell people to abandon Shaykh (Maulana) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (HA) and go somewhere else?

Is that a serious implication?: -)

Do people commenting on this thead honestly who these 3 people are?

  1. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (Pakistan)
  2. Shaykh (Maulana) Fazlur-Rahman Azmi (South Africa)
  3. Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (India)

Or even Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA) of ASKIMAM.ORG and his Authority in issuing Fatwa?

Sorry for a stupid question and I apologise.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 13:11

Asslamo Allaikum,

I spoke to Shaykh (Maulana) Ayyaz (HA) recently who runs the Darul-uloom associated with Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) and the annual fee is roughly £2600/year which includes boarding and meals etc. and there may be some Admin costs.

Darul-uloom Bury also has fees.

Boarding,Lodging & meals in Pakistan/India are most of the time FREE.

Boarding,Lodging & meals in South Africa are sometimes FREE and sometimes they charge but there are Shcolarships also available.

So if somebody wants to discuss the matter directly with Ulama of South Africa they can be put directly in touch and also 1-2 Pakistani Darul-ulooms Insha'Allah, but most Biritsh youngsters will find it difficult to live in Pakistan.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 13:48

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I guess if brother Muadh was a resident of SA, he would still say "go abroad", to may be UK. Unless he knows something we dont, or the method of teaching, principles, pass rate, etc etc. Allahu alum. We all pray to Allah to guide us in the right direction. Which brings us to Istikhara, May be those it concerns should make Istikhara.

So are you saying that I am being biased or something? : -) And implying that if I was in Pakistan then I would tell people to abandon Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) or if I was in India I would tell people to abandon Shaykh (Maulana) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (HA) and go somewhere else?

Is that a serious implication?: -)

Do people commenting on this thead honestly who these 3 people are?

  1. Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (Pakistan)
  2. Shaykh (Maulana) Fazlur-Rahman Azmi (South Africa)
  3. Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (India)

Or even Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA) of ASKIMAM.ORG and his Authority in issuing Fatwa?

Sorry for a stupid question and I apologise.

It's ok., I was only suggesting what you have said later...

Quote....It has been the legacy of Islam to travel far and wide to seek the great Scholars.....end Quote.

I have had the privilege of sitting in the company and learnig from the great Mufti Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri. And I have read many books written by one of my fav scholar, Mufti Taqi Usmani. Infact, I am currently in touch with a scholar who is well known to all these scholars and more, and the likes of Mufti Taqi Usmani also refers to him and so do majority of top scholars of the world. Unfortunatley, he is retired. I will send you his name via PM. He works/worked without a name, and adviced the Ulama of South Africa too. As far as I know, He never took credit for the works he has done, rather he worked for the pleasure of Allah.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 14:44
I know this is silly and off topic,but can some one please tell me what (HA) next to the Maulana's name stands for.
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 12th January 2011 14:54
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I guess if brother Muadh was a resident of SA, he would still say "go abroad", to may be UK. Unless he knows something we dont, or the method of teaching, principles, pass rate, etc etc. Allahu alum. We all pray to Allah to guide us in the right direction. Which brings us to Istikhara, May be those it concerns should make Istikhara.
So are you saying that I am being biased or something? : -) And implying that if I was in Pakistan then I would tell people to abandon Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA) or if I was in India I would tell people to abandon Shaykh (Maulana) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (HA) and go somewhere else? Is that a serious implication?: -) Do people commenting on this thead honestly who these 3 people are? Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (Pakistan) Shaykh (Maulana) Fazlur-Rahman Azmi (South Africa) Shaykh (Mufti) Saeed Ahmed Palunpuri (India) Or even Shaykh (Mufti) Ibraheem Desai (HA) of ASKIMAM.ORG and his Authority in issuing Fatwa? Sorry for a stupid question and I apologise.
It's ok., I was only suggesting what you have said later... Quote....It has been the legacy of Islam to travel far and wide to seek the great Scholars.....end Quote. I have had the privilege of sitting in the company and learnig from the great Mufti Saeed Ahmed Palanpuri. And I have read many books written by one of my fav scholar, Mufti Taqi Usmani. Infact, I am currently in touch with a scholar who is well known to all these scholars and more, and the likes of Mufti Taqi Usmani also refers to him and so do majority of top scholars of the world. Unfortunatley, he is retired. I will send you his name via PM. He works/worked without a name, and adviced the Ulama of South Africa too. As far as I know, He never took credit for the works he has done, rather he worked for the pleasure of Allah.


I couldnt agree more with abu mohammed, if your abroad you wont have the following distractions....

your smart phone with data allowance
internet
friends
cars
family
TV
part time job for money

and if you do have access to these its very very limited and usually monitored. always better to go away from home as your more inclined to be more committed and serious. also with the more time you will study more inshallah.

more th struggle the greater the reward inshallah
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2012 00:32
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i think it is very very wrong for us to compare darul ulooms, knowledge is available in every institute, how these institutes are run may differ, as a student you should study at a place where you think you would feel comfortable.
it is wrong for us to compare and say that tarbiyyah is better here than there...it depends on who you are as a person and what suits you.
institutes that offer a strict tarbiyyah have been criticised that their graduates cant mixed socially.
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Aww first thing about mixing socially could you please explain what you mean by socially ?!
Secondly could please get in contact with one of them who you say can't mix socially (u know you are referring to IDA)
Thirdly I guess you don't know what is tarbiyyah , you can compare IDA GRADUATES. With other graduates and the difference is there even those who drop out you can tell
Fourthly what is the point of becoming an Alim if you cannot practice what you have been striving for the past 6-7 years
Fifthly may Allah accept all of our Akabirs efforts upon us make us strive like them for the sake of deen
جزاك الله خيراً
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 14:56
Salaam

There is not much control over the kids in darul uloom bury, and at night time there is no control at all. Many kids sneak out at night and go to manchester for sheesha and cinema etc. If i had kids i would never let them board at darul uloom. bury.
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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 17:02
Salam, I don't know if it's good to put the above in details. Maybe it should be written to them? I'm sure you get both good and bad in all darul ulooms
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 19:18
I agree with the above. Complaints should be made to their seniors.

To make that a deterrent can cause a huge loss for us as Muslims in the UK.

See the Gems that have come out from there.

To name a few;
Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadhul Haq,
Mufti Adbur Rahman ibn Yusuf,
Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam,
Shaykh Ahmad Ali,
Shaykh Zahir Mahmood
etc.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 19:32
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This is a very well needed lecture by Darul Uloom Bury's Maulana Ayub Hajat. This is primarily targeting graduates of Darul Ulooms and explaining the need for being Practising scholars after Graduation, but can be listened by general people who are interested of becoming scholars and to educate them of what sacrifice is needed of becoming a scholar, and inshallah we instill respect for the scholars
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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 19:39
This is a simple video of photos of the Darul Uloom.

Unfortunately, I have not studied at any Darul Uloom, but my brother and cousin both graduated from there. Alhumdulillah, may Allah be pleased with them and all those who attend and graduate from there and any other Darul Uloom.

Youtube Video


Darul Uoom, the very first institute of its kind in Europe was opened by the great Sheikh Yusuf Motala sahib, through the auspicious duas and spiritual attention of Sheikhul Hadith Hazrat Sheikh Zakariyya sahib. This institute caters for many students from the age of 11 to 25 from various towns and cities of Europe, North America, Middle East, Asia and Africa.

Alhamdulillah, many hundreds of Ulama, Qur'aa and Huffaz have graduated from this institute. We make dua that may the good service for Islam carried out by Darul Uloom be maintained till the Day of Judgement.
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