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#271 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 05:56
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Deoband first: A fatwa against terror

TNN | Jun 1, 2008, 00:00 IST
NEW DELHI:

For the first time ever, Islamic seminary Darul- Uloom Deoband issued a fatwa against terrorism on Saturday, stating Islam had come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. The Darul-Uloom had denounced terrorism for the first time in February, but had not issued a fatwa so far. (Watch )

Saturday���s fatwa, signed by Darul-Uloom���s grand mufti Habibur Rehman, asserts that "Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form".

Citing the "sinister campaign" to malign "Islamic faith...by linking terrorism with Islam and distorting the meanings of Quranic Verses and Prophet traditions", Mahmood Asad Madani, leader of Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind, had wanted Deoband to spell out the stand of Islam on world peace.

The fatwa, issued before a huge gathering of Muslims in Delhi���s Ramlila Ground for the Anti-Terrorism and Global Peace Conference, went on to say, "It is proved from clear guidelines provided in the Holy Quran that allegations of terrorism against a religion which preaches and guarantees world peace is nothing but a lie. The religion of Islam has come to wipe out all kinds of terrorism and to spread the message of global peace. Allah knows the best."

The conference was addressed by Jamiat chief and Darul- Uloom���s deputy rector Hazrat Maulana Qari Sayed Mohammed Usman.

He called the conference historic as Muslims of different sects and ideologies ��� including Nadwatul Ulama Lucknow, Jamaat-e-Islami Hind and All India Muslim Personal Law Board ��� ratified the fatwa against terrorism.

The exclusively-male turnout that read an "oath of allegiance" to the fatwa cheered most lustily as speakers attacked the US.

Jamiat Ulema-e-Hind leader Madani, an MP, stated that the fatwa should be welcomed by the entire Islamic world.

"Killing of innocent people is not compatible with Islam. The biggest challenge faced by us today is terrorism (which) threatens to strike at the very root of the secular structure of our society besides causing irreparable loss," stated Madani.

Notwithstanding the caveats like "unjust" and "innocent", which may make it appear falling short of an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism, the fatwa is viewed by many as a significant step forward towards rallying the public opinion against terrorism.
Coming after the February 25 denunciation, it is seen as reflective of the growing recognition on the part of clerics to counter misgivings about interpretations of scriptures.

Deoband has lately been under intense focus because many of the terrorist groups ��� from Taliban to Jaish and Harkat ��� are widely perceived to be Deobandi in orientation.

However, it was when the deputy rector of Deoband, Usman, came down heavily on "the dual policy of America" that the massive crowds cheered the most. "Whenever Christian and American interests are hurt in any part of the world, they take prompt action to set things right even at the cost of human lives. They maintain silence though when Muslims are the victims," he said, further criticizing the US for its support to Israel.

According to Usman, Jamiat recently held a series of conferences and meetings with madrassas in Lucknow, Ahmedabad, Hyderabad, Kanpur, Surat, Varanasi and Kolkata to carry forward the anti-terror movement which was initiated at Deoband in February. Usman said that many people, especially in the West, were carrying out a propaganda that terrorism was synonymous with jehad.

He said that while terrorism is destructive, jehad is constructive. "Terrorism is the gravest crime as held by Quran and Islam. We are not prepared to tolerate terrorism in any form and we are ready to cooperate with all responsible people," he said.
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#272 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 06:32
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Yes Islam condemns terrorism and taking of innocent life.

The above fatwa applies to the Terrorist Indian army who are targetting and taking innocent life in Kashmir.

It does not apply to the Kashmiri people, or Palestinian or the Rhongya in Burma.

The right to fight against tyrrany and oppression is enshrined in Islam.

Surely you cant be this ignorant...!
Read the seerah and learn Islamic history. Surely you aware the sahabah and the subsequent generations fought in battles.

The senior Ulemaha of deoband themselves fought in the first war of independence against the British.

The Ulemah of deoband gave fatwa in support of the Afghans against soviet occupation. Also fatwas in support of the Chechens, the Bosnians and the Albanians in Kosovo etc.

The Indian ulemah try to avoid discussion on Kashmir due to situations of the Indian Muslim and danger of communal violence. But all the Ulemah of Pakistan Deobandi, Barelvi, Ahle Hadith have given fatwas in support of the Kashmiri people. As well as other Ulemah around the world.

Attacks carried out in Mumbai a decade ago was terrorism, attacks carried out against Indian occupation force in Kashmir is not Terrorism...The genocide and mass rape of the Kashmiri by Indian occupation force is terrorism.

Go learn your deen and protect your akhirah.














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#273 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 07:14
Assalamua'laikum. Why does Pakistani's feel only Kashmiri Muslims are oppressed ? Why not other parts of India like Assam, Rohingya's ? Do they have Rohingya refugees ? Just some thoughts..
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#274 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 07:43
Some users of MS are 'emotionally innocent goofs' they use their heart instead of brain. They've no patience in debate and get angry easily. More or less 15 'dislikes' have been awarded so far and I'm enjoying their stupidity.

Indeed, the term ummah encompasses all Muslims globally as a solid body though but it's been divided in many dimensions due to different factors and each dimension offers its own paradigm.

Concept of jihad:

During the prophetic era, once the jihad was declared, it would become obligatory on every Muslim to join it except weak, old, women, children or permitted by prophet :saw: but when Islam spread far and wide, Islamic army was assigned for attack and defence.

Fatwa of scholars:

It's the personal opinion of the mufti in the light of adilla e shariah, is subjective or objective depends on reliability and acceptability.
Invariably, if fatwa of one group is neither reliable nor acceptable for other groups, doesn't entail them to be kafir or deviant.

Fatwa of jihad:

Its applicability is limited to specific group/s of specific region.

India is the homeland of Muslims, so what if other communities also live there.

Scholars of all Muslim groups in India unanimously agreed of external aggressors as enemies regardless of their religion.

All kinds of terrorism, killing of people regardless who the perpetraters are, rebellion, insurgency in any part with/without internal/external espousing is punishable.

Those indoctrinated nutcases juhla who declare all Indian Muslims as munafiqeen for not accepting their B grade scholars' distorted interpretation of quranic verses and ahadith regarding jihad are accountable on the judgement day before Allah :swt:.
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#275 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 07:46
What do you think we are saying and doing in this thread then? We have already said that this is a war between Muslims and mushrikeen/kuffar. Be it Indian Muslims, Kashmiris, Chinese, Rohingya, etc. And we are advising the Indian Muslims to stand up against the oppression instead of being such cowards and whining about Pakistani Muslims ruining their luxurious peaceful lives by standing up for the Kashmiri Muslims. Of course it's never been about just the Kashmiris, we want to teach the mushrikeen a lesson so that they think twice before oppressing any of our Muslim brothers.

It's the Indian Muslims themselves who are making this about ethnicity not the Pakistanis.
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#276 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 07:54
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Is that true? They feel only kashmiri Muslims are oppressed? Or have you made up a lie?
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#277 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:01
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It's the personal opinion of the mufti


Which mufti?
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#278 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:03
Are we all backing pak army now? The same army that has been assisting nato with their supplies in Afghanistan, selling muslims to be imprisoned in Guantanamo bay and causing mayhem in tribal regions.
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#279 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:16
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Not ‘Pakistan Army’ but a Muslim country against unjust aggression,and humanity against a senseless and catastrophic war,which will affect not only millions in the subcontinent but the world at large.

Having said that,I agree with you.What you mentioned will remain a black spot on the face of Pakistan for all the times to come.That was a shameful period in the history of Pakistan and no amount of excuse can wash it.

We don’t want to repeat the same mistake today for which we are blaming Musharraf,do we ?
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#280 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:26
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see the title of this thread. It is not ''between muslims vs mushrieen''

rather.

''Pakistan vs India: Background, Conflict, Analysis''
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#281 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:49
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So what you saying Scholars of India unanimously agree that the Kashmiri people are Terrorist.

And the barbaric Indian occupation force is the victim in this case. What are the names of these Jahil Scholars...?

Scholars also agree any aggression against India will be terroism...So according to these Scholars the Ghazwat ul Hind will be Terrorism.?

You dont even need a fatwa in the case of Kashmir..the verses of Jihad are clear in the Quran giving the oppressed the right to defend their lives honour and property.

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#282 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 08:51
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Assalamu alaikum
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they use their heart instead of brain.

Do not rely on your aqal, it will damage your Iman and you won't even realise.
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Indeed, the term ummah encompasses all Muslims globally as a solid body though but it's been divided in many dimensions due to different factors and each dimension offers its own paradigm.

Are you ok with this division OR do you feel the pain and consider it against the spirit of Islam? Remember the hadith of Rasulullah (saw) will remain applicable till the day of qiyamah. Ummah is like one body and if someone does not feel the pain of other Muslims, that means he is not part of the Ummah.

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Fatwa of jihad:

Its applicability is limited to specific group/s of specific region.

Nobody has asked you to go out in jihad. We don't expect it from people who can't even speak out against oppression.

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Scholars of all Muslim groups in India unanimously agreed of external aggressors as enemies regardless of their religion.

I don't know which scholars you follow, but you posted a video of Maulana Mahmood Madani and we don't expect anything else from such scholars, they will do everything to appease the Hindu majority.

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Those indoctrinated nutcases juhla who declare all Indian Muslims as munafiqeen for not accepting their B grade scholars' distorted interpretation of quranic verses and ahadith regarding jihad are accountable on the judgement day before Allah :swt:.

Nobody has called all Indian Muslims as munafiqeen, I know some Muslims from India who are not cowards and their loyalty to Allah and His Rasool (saw) is greater than their loyalty to their nation. Munafiqeen are those who support filthy Hindus over Muslims and are not even ashamed.

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#283 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 09:17
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Is the Pak army on haq in the present situation or is it on batil?

Are the Indian Army and Modi on haq in the present situation or are they on batil.?

Are the Kashmiri people on haq or are they are on batil?

Please enlighten us.
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#284 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 09:29
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Yes Army made some serious blunders in the past and even in the present like you highlighted. But what prevents muslims from supporting them right now, when they are protecting a muslim majority country and on the verge of fighting against the mushrikeen and the hindu zionists? Why would actions and decisions of the top military generals like musharaf ( no doubt those actions were wrong) places the whole of Pakistani Army in the trash?
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#285 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 09:42
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Because some muslims from India are very Nationalistic.consider themselves Indian first and foremost and Muslim a distant second...Thats why they are opposing them.

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