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#361 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:17

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You have written my thoughts in better words as you are more experienced with happenings in Pakistan. No your Eman will be questioned and you will be asked to drink urine and worship & please bhagwans by other members.

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#362 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:17

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Between, what is Taliban trying to do with Pakistan. They want to teach you Islam, like you want to teach Indians :)

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#363 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:18

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Ok. You mean to say Mushraf walking away after bombarding a mosque is not pleasing the kuffar. And Indian muslims not allowing to build Ram mandir (which is like Mecca to hindus) in the place of Babri Masjid is pleasing kuffar ?

What? Where did this come from?

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#364 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:26

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Exactly. This thread is about Kashmir. If it was about China and someone was defending the stance of Arif Alvi, I would've said the same things about them.

Muadh Khan knows that I was the first one to condemn that on this forum. He just wants to spread fitnah and lies.

www.muftisays.com/forums/27-sharing-portal/12126-imran-kh...

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#365 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:29

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Every Pakistani major city in fact every major (or minor) Deobandi Masjid in Pakistan could be approached for involved in Kashmir Jihad.
Maulana Masood Azhar is an ISI agent along with thousands of Deobandi Ulama who back and the Army backs them
Chanda for Kashmir Jihad was openly done in Pakistan
Pakistan Army and ISI were involved in every aspect of Kashmir Jihad from selection to training to infiltration into India

Nothing wrong with any of this because it is the foreign policy of the state of Pakistan..This had less to do with Islam and more to do with military doctrine but it is twisted and portrayed as an issue of Islam to recruit people and gain funds.

Things went wrong in Pakistan due to Deobandees and TTP, that is when people of Pakistan realised the gravity of the situation. Look up threads from Sunniforum and Pakistani members were OPENLY backing TTP (Tehrek-e-Taliban-e-Pakistan).

If TTP had not killed scores of Pakisatnees, it would still have carried on. TTP and ultimately 2014 attack on children in Peshawar truned the tide in Pakistan. Don't forget that these were kids of military...Equal number of (kids of) civilians would have died and reaction would have been less.

TTP is Deobandi (not Ghair-Muqallid or Salafi).

I am a Pakistani, born and raised...I am not from Chennai :P

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#366 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:29

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Seriously I dont know whether to laugh or cry at you guys. Are you seriously this brainwashed.

For the record I am a Kashmiri and Kashmir in its entirety belongs to the Kashmiri people.

The Kashmiris are attacked because they refuse to accept the mushrikin India as their master and sovereign.

The main problem is India committing genocide and raping the daughters of Islam in Kashmir on an industrial scale.

The problem will be easily solved if India removed its 850,000 strong Terrorist occupation force from Kashmir. And allow the Kashmiris to choose their own destiny via a referendum.

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#367 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:30

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They have Tarek Fateh, we have Muadh_Khan.

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#368 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:35

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There was OPEN Chanda and recruitment in Pakistan for Kashmir Jihad everywhere...Blatantly and openly
TTP is Deobandi

Someone has hit dislike on these two points. A person has to be drunk on Pakistan Nationalism to even deny it.

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#369 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:37

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You clearly sound like these trolls from chennai.

The struggle of the Kashmiri people for freedom began. Before Maulana Masood Azhar was even born.

Before ISI had ever existed... The Kashmiri strugglevis a legitimate struggle against tyrrany and oppression fully justified Islamically.

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#370 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:38

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You have changed the subject.

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#371 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:38

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I have not hit dislike on your above points and read my above post.

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#372 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:39

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Once Kashmir was heaven. Tourist couldn't get hotel-room in business season. It was a favourite place for Bollywood movies. People of Kashmir were rich but since Pakistan had started inciting them for so called jihad, Kashmiris ''are in extremely poor condition.''

In the month of shaban they come in our town for seeking financial help.
Many Kashmiris keep on wandering in other states for begging.

If Pakistan stops using Kashmir slogan, probably, good days might return for them.

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#373 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:40

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Maulana Masood Azhar is an ISI agent

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This had less to do with Islam and more to do with military doctrine but it is twisted and portrayed as an issue of Islam

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Don't forget that these were kids of military...Equal number of (kids of) civilians would have died and reaction would have been less.

I hit dislike on these points.

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#374 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:42

I have been a condemner of TTP even before the APS attack. Amongst the Tablighi circles especially it was always discussed that TTP wasn't quite comprised of true Jihadis. It's not even a certainty if they were majority Muslims. I mean, look at the video of them shooting Colonel Imam, who they accused of spying for ISI. Makes no sense why a Taliban faction would kill the man who directly trained the Afghan Taliban during the Soviet Jihad.

A big issue here is that it is being implied that we Pakistanis consider our beliefs superior to those of other Muslims. Which couldn't be further from the truth. I have said it again and again that we are suffering as a nation and as a part of the Ummah BECAUSE of our failure to be good Muslims. We Pakistanis might even be at the bottom of the barrel. The point we are making is that the teeny tiny section within us which is trying to do the right thing for some of the Muslim brothers, even if not all, we cannot discourage them by labeling them terrorists. Is this so hard to understand?

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#375 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd March 2019 17:45

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What subject are you trying to convey...you asked about the China
Muslims in east Turkistan. I answered that.

Then you decided go of on some tangent about deobandis and chanda.

It is you who changed the subject not me...It would have been helpfull if you actually read all the posts in this thread and the previous one called jaish. So as to decipher as to
What the argument with Indian nationalist troll has been about.

Then weighed in.

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