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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2019 17:22
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It is a newer approach, akhi.

The Zakir Naik's approach uses science to demonstrate the Divine Origins of Quran.
Hamza's approach utilizes science only once the divine origins are established, and science is used to show multiple layering for people of different times.
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“You know what is very interesting about the Qur’ān? Well, the Qur’ān seems to address various levels of intellect and addresses different levels of understanding at different periods in human history. For example, in chapter 23 verse 14 of the Qur’ān, it mentions the word ᶜalaqah to described a stage of the development of the human embryo. This word can mean a blood-clot, something that clings and a leech or a worm. The knowledge that was available during the 7th century maintained that the embryo was like a blood-clot and that it is something that clings. Interestingly in the 21st century the embryo on a microscopic level looks like a leech, even the internal structure of the leech looks like the embryo at around 4 weeks in its development. The word leech can also imply that when we were embryos we drained our mothers resources, just like a leech does, so we should love our mothers more and lower the wing of mercy and humility because they willingly sacrificed for us. This is an interesting aspect of the Qur’ān, it seems to be able to address various times and different levels of understanding. If some statements do not seem to be in line with modern science, then science will catch up. I have already shown how the Qur’ān can be from God without using science, and therefore we can conclude that what God says is true. Also, and as you know, science is not absolute, it changes with time and that there is always the possibility of new observations and new findings.”
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2019 19:11
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He makes sense. Let me add to this discussion and add another perspective.

It is my firm belief that any logical argument can be defeated by a more experienced and cunning debater. For example the 99 arguments of Imam Razi Rh in favour of existence of Allah destroyed by Satan himself. However, it is the experience which can't be defeated. It is the mushahida which can't be defeated. It is the actual feeling which one feels when one practices on the teachings of Quran and Sunnah which can't be defeated. Because only a better experience can replace the previous experience one is having. And when one tastes the Divine love and contentment of heart then no amount of logic, no material pleasure, no argument, no philosophy, no explanation can defeat or over ride that experience. This is because the experience of Islam cannot be overridden by any other experience because Islamic experience is the best and perfect experience. It is the feeling of paradise on earth. Spiritual contentment is that part of akhirah which momineen feel in this world because soul is the creature of the next world and not this world.

So, the experience of Islam is the strongest daleel that it is haq. At individual level, tazkiyah will lead to this experience. At global level khilafah will lead to it.

To understand Quran we don't need logic, philosophy and science. We need aqal e saleem, qalb e saleem and baseerah and this is what true Tazkiyah is all about.(I am not talking about the fiqh derived from Quran. I am talking about it's overall message) When the qalb is clean then it will comprehend the message of the Quran whether the intellect understands the hidden scientific and philosophical clues in it's verses or not.

Deen is ishq. It is not daleel. Daleel only leads to some understanding but it is ishq which brings a person deeper in it's ocean.

The non believers are those who do not believe even after understanding. The believers are those who believe even without understanding. The non believers doubt based on their faulty logic. The believers believe based on their authentic feeling which they feel after practicing it. Ishq defeats aql. Mushahida is the real ilm. If theory doesn't lead to practical then it's useless.

This world is a canvas and we are it's painters. Painting is not only done by thinking alone. Painting is done when we move our brush on the canvas. Do not overthink it. Do it.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2019 19:43
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Everything that you said is "True" But this statement is vague
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It is my firm belief that any logical argument can be defeated by a more experienced and cunning debater.


The argument famously known as the Cosmological Argument has remained undefeated and stood the test of time. It is the most brutal sword against atheism in these times.

So is there a contradiction between what you said and my statement? Apparantly Yes. But internally no.
It isn't that a logical argument can be defeated by a cunning or experienced debator But the Logical argument can be made to look weak infront of an argument that is built on decietful premises. Sometimes you have no answer to such an argument But your heart tells you that the conclusion is wrong. You can't pinpoint precisely where the deceit is and the ability to do so is a Gift from Allah سبحانه وتعالى. Shaytan is the master of deceit. And it is far better to fight him with faith than Logic. Because defeating him with logic would consume you from the insides because there is absolutely no end to his waswasas.

At the end of the day, Logic can only lead you to the door. In order to pass through it, Logic must be put aside. The Shariah of Allahسبحانه وتعالى should be followed irrespective of whether it makes logical sense to a muslim or not. There is absolutely no room for Logic here. The real journey and the experience begins after entering through that door. When you enter that door, you never look at logic ever again.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2019 04:29
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Deen is ishq. It is not daleel. Daleel only leads to some understanding but it is ishq which brings a person deeper in it's ocean.

Love what you have said here. Science cannot explain ishq.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2019 04:42
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Ma Sha Allah. You put my words more precisely and accurately.
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