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Off topic,but what is Qi they are talking about ? Bad air,I assume ? Looks like it has many type,like it mentions Lung Qi,defensive Qi,ascending and descending etc...
Human biology is agreed upon and universal. “Some of the exercises in Islamic Tasawuff†and rituals in other spiritual aspects are very similar (or even exactly the same).
The (positioning of) Lataif in the Naqshabndi SilSila are very similar to what some of the Hindus practise.
If you read about the Lataif, you are supposed to practise and return (energy) forwards and backwards…It is “Chi†in Chinese or “Shakti†in Hindia
The breathing exercises in the Naqshbandi SilSila (Pas Anfas) are used by Russian Spetsnaz (Special forces) and the west knows it as straw breathing.
The Muraqaba in the Naqshbandi SilSila is known as meditation (in the East and West).
The CRITICAL and FUNDAMENTAL difference is that in Islam we do it for the sake of Allah Ta’ala and while developing relationship with Allah Ta’ala.
When you remove Allah Ta’ala from the equation and perform these exercises then you are inviting Shaytaan and Jinnat to take the vacuum and this is exactly what happens in Advance forms of Tai’chi and to monks etc…They are clearly possessed by Shaytaan.
The point which nobody in this thread is grasping is that when you are affected by Jinn/Black Magic there are others (even Non-Muslims) who can detect alien presence or interference in your body, cure may not be Sunnah sanctioned or Shariah-approved but Acupressure (and/or other systems of medicine) can equally detect Sehr/Nazar etc.
When someone reverts of Islam their DNA does not change!
We are still on Phase 1 of the discussion.
You are looking for a “practising Brother for Cuppingâ€.
I am still looking for a technical reason for your choice, either from medical or Islamic point of view as to why you need a “practising Brother†for cupping.
I am claiming that Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wassallam) referred a Sahabi (RA) to the best known physician of a particular disease and he was “Non-Muslimâ€, nowhere in the compendium of Qur’aan and Sunnah it commands you to look for a “practising Brother†for medical advice.
I am saying that you have the “personal choice†but not an “Islamic obligation or necessity†of any kind.
You can give your technical or Islamic reason OR say that it is my personal choice (and in that case we don’t have a debate).
The reason I am asking is technical expertise does not equate to Islamic practise they are two separate issues when it come to cupping. Simply put, a brother trusted by you may take a weekend cupping course and be ready for cupping in 1 week BUT NO WAY will he be as good as someone who has been doing it for 15 years regularly and frequently.
By placing this condition (instead of looking for the best practitioner) you are restricting your choice. I other words, you are willing to drive 200 miles to get to someone who has weekend training in cupping instead of someone who is an expert with 15 years of experience in delivering quality of care.
It is your personal choice but I am going out of my way to point out that you have turned your religious into Judaism. Islam does not place any such restrictions on treatment IF it is indeed treatment which you need.
To top it all, you are also admitting that you are not an expert in this area so you will not be able to judge whether the treatment is needed, viable or even effective.
I also gave you a practical example that even in acupressure, they talk about detection of Black Magic/Nazar because the biology of human body is universal, unless you think that bodies of Muslims are different in some way.
We are not discussing Ruqya yet, we are still on cupping.
P.S: I am still baffled.
Removal of Jinn or Blackmagic is based on the experience of practitioners. That is why here is no such thing as complete “end to end†Qu’raan and Sunnah process.
A medical practitioner develops experience with each passing treatment and as long as the method does not contradict the Qur’aan and Sunnah, it is acceptable in Islam.
A person who is not familiar with the illness or treatment usually judges the treatment by the “strangeness of the method†rather than its compliance (or lack of contradiction to Qur’aan and Sunnah) and efficacy.
For example, burning chilli and smoking the patient may be strange but may not contradict Qur’aan and Sunnah and may also be effective.
The scope and the matter is vast.
However, majority of the patients seeking treatments for BalckMagic/Nazar/Jinns are not affected by these matters. They have just convinced themselves that they are and since the people whom they are going for treatment (are running a business) they also convince them.
Many people suffer from psychological trauma, medical conditions etc with symptoms which manifest themselves as such.
Many Muslims suffer from relationship and family issues and these get blamed on Jinn and Black Magic.
Mental health issues are a big taboo in our culture and it is equated to being STUPID. Our Ulama regularly give Bayans that depression can be cured by Dhikr so Muslims convince themselves that if they are not getting cured (of depression) then the problem is with them (in not being regular or not being attentive etc)…In Women, depression may be a hormonal issue and NOTHING to do with Dhikr, they are practising Sisters who suffer from depression when they are regular in Tahajjut.
They then go from cupping to cupping and Ruqya to Ruqya claiming that “Medicine has no cure so it must be something Jinn or Black Magic†related.
On a large scale, Muslim community in the west may speak English but they are still not very knowledgeable about medicine. Our Ulama openly mock Doctors and treatments in their Bayans all the time so people are indoctrinated.
I am not saying that science or medicine has answers or cures to everything but I am saying neither does cupping!
We are not Jews or Christians, we are Muslims! This means that our Deen gives us a balanced outlook on everything (including science), when you deal with fundamental Christians and Orthodox Jews you will know what I am talking about.
In the past, our Ulama were aware of science and medicine (Hikmat), TODAY our Ulama are not aware of most things (including Fiqh let along other things) so we should stick to all-rounder balanced Ulama such as Mufti Mangera (HA) who at least know what they are talking about OR can at least access information to be able to tell you.
Many British born Deobandi Ulama DO NOT even know the difference between a Credit Card and America Express so how do you expect them to guide you on medical treatment? People merely follow what they see in front of them.
When they see Maulana Bilal Bawa (HA) openly saying on the stage that he has been in England since 1969 and does not speak a word of English, people think that this is something to be proud of!
This sort of attitude has nothing to do with Islam.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.
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