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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 18:39
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Invitation from Ulema to the path of reconciliation.



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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 18:43

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I fly to Karachi and I take over Darul-uloom Karachi and declare myself to be Ameer. Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA), Myufti Rafi Usmani (HA) are made to leave and migrate to Lahore.

My goons cause problems worldwide.

DU Deoband calls a conference and asks both parties to reconcile and says that since I already hold DU Karachi, I should remain incharge, is that fair???

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 18:49
This is an fyi post, we have all in detail presented our arguments and inclinations in detail.

We wont be able to solve this issue here on this forum. We can only follow the updates. Jzk
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 19:06

We need to support the weak and those who are victims of injustice.

Someone who comes inside your house and gains power, you are now telling the oppressors to maintain the (usurped) power because they are in power.

It is not Islam, no matter how many Ulama sign these declarations.

If they DO NOT have the courage to speak the truth then should REFRAIN from making these statements and join POLITICS.

Both parties in this case are not equal.



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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 19:37
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Not sure if the analogy you made really applies here, neverthless us public only know heresay about this matter. For all we know and see is two factions of muslims fighting and then we see ulema making this call. We are observing and very hard for us to emotionally get involved and take a particular side. If this situation involves usurping someone’s personal property then they should also seek legal system as that is a personal matter. May Allah guide them and who ever is oppressing may Allah stop them. Jzk
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 19:49
What will mufti rafi and mufti taqi do when maulana saad will say to them

"khuda ki kasam Main tum sab ka Ameer hoon.. nahin maante to jahannum me jao"

Not much will come out of this initiative.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 20:14
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People can only try to call people towards goodness. If he says that then it will be his own loss. Not an inch gets taken away from the two Aalims.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 20:19
Maulana arshad madni and countless indian ulama have tried but failed.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2019 20:31
There is no doubt if ml saad keeps a hard stance over time and does not work towards a reconciliation and keeps a sinister intention then definitely indeed he will cut himself off from the mainstream. Nothing of barakah will remain.

Same goes for the other side.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 04:11
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As salam alaykum:

Respected Sir:

Please refute the substance of the posted letter in your trademark logic-based style. We are eager to read your balanced perspective.

(There is no sarcasm whatsoever intended in this post.)
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 04:17
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As salam alaykum:

Mashallah.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 09:32
Can someone provide a brief translation of the OP?
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 09:36
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I tried reading it. Realised I could read it better than I could understand it lol. An English summary would be good.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 09:51
It says: "Don't fight,talk and find a way out"
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 15th January 2019 10:48
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At this stage damage limitation sounds good to everyone, but is giving up and conceding to a fitnah monger really damage limitation? Who knows what else he will do once he gains full power and control. If someone else had usurped the leadership of tabligh jamaat would he have been dealt with the same? His only claim to the leadership is that he has ancestral connections with the leaders of the past. That is no claim at all. What makes him special? He has not even spent 4 months in khurooj which has always been a major condition in tabligh jamaat when it comes to deciding seniority.

Nizamuddin markaz is not tabligh jamaat. The other markaz of the world are not tabligh jamaat. Even the name tabligh jamaat is not tabligh jamaat. Only the effort is tabligh jamaat. Give him his throne. Let the sincere Muslims carry on with the effort from the local masajid. If the masajid close their doors then carry on from the streets. The effort is not dependant on bricks and walls.

Who knows...maybe this is a filteration process much like how the taliban were filtered. When the Americans came many of the taliban who were there only for their own gain showed their true colours and turned their backs and joined the Americans and the northern alliance. Only the sincere remained. With tabligh jamaat we will now see who was truly there for the effort of tabligh and who was merely there for the affiliation to the jamaat.
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