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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2018 23:33
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I understood what you said but provide example where one accepted mainstream scholar has said that. I have seen with my own eyes reverts and newly practising Muslim ask stuff like is music allowed and imams outright said no.

Secondly if someone really wants to do something they will do it and find it. It won't surprise me at all if you looked hard enough fawtas like Riba is allowed, having girlfriends in West is allowed, alcohol pornography drug etc is allowed.

Ps even if scholars do say it I don't see harm. We live in the age of internet so it's not like people will find these fawtas. So it's good to explain that there are small deviant opinions saying xyz is allowed.

This is what differentiates us between the great pious of the past. They wouldn't go anything thats remotely doubtful. I remember a talk the imam said such people have lived where if 3 madhabs said something is allowed and 1 said no they will refrain even if the madhab that says no isn't theirs
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2018 23:34
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Valid differences of opinion are fine. Again I repeat this thread has nothing to do with differences of opinion valid or even invalid), hence no need comment on the specific examples I mention.

The problem is " how are people picking which opinion to follow" that I'm trying to point out is the problem. The "how" these days is essentially following whatever suits the whims for a large numbers of people, even when the opinion is a valid minority opinion.

Then when we are told to respect these valid differences, it just justifies everyone following their whims, and on top of that trickles over to having to respect invalid differences of opinion for a lot of people.

So, respecting differences of "valid" opinions needs to have some sort of limits or parameters in this day and age, even if they were not needed in he past, otherwise everyone is going to be doing whatever they want and Islamically justifying it as a difference of opinion no matter how minority or weak opinion is.

I think there is a difference between respecting different opinions, and between a person actually adopting an opinion.

I can respect a difference of opinion but I cannot respect the way people choose their opinions these days.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 00:12
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 01:01
Perhaps off topic, buy can't people be following their nafs when opting for a so called "stricter" or safer position, and not accepting a difference of opinion as valid?

Some assume people are following another opinion due to their following their desires, and not due to other reasons such as believing it to be a valid position.

So if a person for e.g is refusing to accept the various views of taqleed, but not due to his research and conviction but due to it being against the position of his group or teachers or akabir. So out of pride and following his nafs he refuses to acknowledge the other valid views on taqleed

Or a person may fight strongly to prevent all women from praying in jamat in or out of the masjid, and refuses to acknowledge that the various madhabs allow various women to come to the masjid at various times. Yet he happily sends his daughter to University and allows her to work as a doctor. So why does he not want to accept the difference of opinion? Perhaps is is due to his culture and pride etc?

So following ones nafs can work both ways.

Also what one may perceive as a strange or "minority" opinion may actually be quite mainstream in other communities . in the past when people were criticizing salafis, they ended up criticizing many practices accepted as mainstream by the other madhabs, even though in their opinion it was a foreign opinion.

I assume others may see us hanafis as having some minority opinions as well, perhaps like paying sadaqatul fitr in cash, and praying jummua at the time considered to be asr in most of the other madhabs, to accommodate students.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 01:12
So again what is your solution to the problem you have?
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 01:44
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Stricter I can understand because it would mean refraining from something they would be able to do under normal circumstances, but safer?

What you mean is easier innit?

Okay, let's play your game :)

On Monday I decide to follow 1 talaq is 1 and 3 talaqs in one go is 3 talaqs. But on Tuesday I decided that since I got angry at my mrs and said 3 talaqs in one go, I'll go for the other opinion that says 3 in 1 is still 1 so I'm not divorced!

Is that safer
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 02:58
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You are playing a different game.

So what are you proposing as a solution?
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 03:38
I don't know much about the topic of music. I was taught it is Haram and that is the opinion I try to follow.
I have heard of a few scholars who allowed music, and I found this post by Shaikh Shafi Chowdhury interesting:

In his entry on a student of Imam Malik, Imam al-Dhahabi writes:

❝Ishaq al-Nadim; the Imam, erudite scholar and Hafiz (of hadith), master of many fields, Abu Muhammad Ishaq ibn Ibrahim ibn Maymun al-Taymi al-Mawsili al-Akhbari; an accomplished musician, delicate poet, and author of literary works as well as man of fiqh, language, chronicler, and person of insight in hadith and of high status. […]

He authored the Book of Songs which his son relates from him.

It is related from Ishaq al-Mawsili that he said: I spent a period of my life when I going before dawn everyday to Hushaim or other muhaddithin; then I would go to al-Kisa’i or al-Farra or Ibn Ghazala and recite a juz of Quran to him; then I would go to Abu Mansur Zalzal who would practice with me two or three chords of lute; then I would come to Atika bint Shahda and take singing lessons with her; then I would come to al-Asma’i or Abu Ubaida and benefit from them; and I would attend the audience of (Harun) al-Rashid in the evening. […]

Al-Ma’mun said: Were it not for his fame in singing, I should have made Ishaq a qadi.❞
(Siyar A’lam al-Nubala', al-Dhahabi)
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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 08:26
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If only solutions were so easy.

And a "valid" opinion existing, doesnt mean it's valid for people to choose it whenever they feel like it.

But many these days are doing just that, picking and choosing what suits them without any other principle.

Understanding the problem properly would be the first step towards the solution.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 08:35
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This topic has nothing to do with music in and of itself.

Because you fail to see the problem I'm trying to highlight, you posted this uneccassary information.

The problem isn't the difference of opinion with regards to music existing.

The problem is the people who will choose such minority opinions because it agrees with their whims.

And when the same individual is picking a number of minority opinions that are easy on the nafs, you think they are following their whims, or trying to please Allah.
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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 08:45
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"Secondly if someone really wants to do something they will do it and find it. It won't surprise me at all if you looked hard enough fawtas like Riba is allowed, having girlfriends in West is allowed, alcohol pornography drug etc is allowed. "

Exactly.

And the problem I'm highlighting is that a mindset is being developed that we should "respect these difference of opinions."

Do you not see how this attitude of respecting differences of opinions on anything and everything is leading to fitnah.

A lot of influential scholars now instead of advising people to avoid these opinions will teach people to respect difference of opinion. And that's a big problem.

Do you not see the problem in the seekershub answer I posted.

Do you not see the problem in the mufti menks tweet with regards to Christmas.

And those are just 2 examples.

It's feeding peoples nafs.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 18:16
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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 19:43
“My Companions are like the stars in the sky. You will find the truth no matter from whom among them you receive hadiths. Difference of opinion of my Companions is a mercy for you.” (al-Ajluni, Kashfu’l-Khafa, I/64; al-Munawi, Faydu’l-Qadir, I/210-212)

Read these words also “Difference of opinion (disagreement) in my ummah is a mercy.”

Don't try to block this mercy. Instead focus on the work of tazkiyah so that we avoid misusing difference of opinion for our own selfish desires. The problem is not with difference of opinion which is natural. The problem is our nafs. So focus on correcting nafs.
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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2018 21:42
I am aware differences of opinion are a mercy. I'm not trying to block differences of opinion.

What I am saying is that these days people are using the excuse of "difference of opinion" to follow their whims.

This is an increasing fitnah. If people can't see it yet, give it another few years when even more people will be doing it, then we will all see inshAllah.

Sipramoer said:

"Don't try to block this mercy. Instead focus on the work of tazkiyah so that we avoid misusing difference of opinion for our own selfish desires. The problem is not with difference of opinion which is natural. The problem is our nafs. So focus on correcting nafs."

And I agree with that, it's what I've been trying to say all along.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2019 00:12

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Wrong! There is no requirement in Islam for this whatsoever. This is Hazrat Worship!

www.qafila.org/a-general-guideline-in-finding-the-right-m...

With that in mind, a layman should find one muftī that he completely trusts with his heart and always stick to asking him.

Allah Ta'ala has not obligated anything of this nature upon Muslims. It may delight the Hazrat Worshippers to see believers dancing to their tunes and submitting to them in prostration but it is not Islam.

If the problem is following "Nafs" then following a "singular Mufti" massively aggravates the problem; it just shifts from the “Nafs” of the laymen to the “Nafs” of the Mufti.

Keep "Taqleed" to what it is supposed to be and not try to re-invent it with hyperpartisan behavior.

The next stage of this is to ONLY follow Deobandees THEN only follow certain Deobandees THEN only follow graduates of certain Darul-ulooms THEN only follow students of a certain teacher.

Notice that those project these views only direct people to their own opinions OR opinions of those who are affiliated with them…read my answers, take my courses, read my blog etc.

The Noor of Allah's Hidayah shines straight on me and THEN gets deflected onto others so I get to decide whom you should be trusted (other then me).

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