There is no need to, because Allah told us this.
For clarity those who are using the word spiritual, please provide a definition so we can be clear on what we are speaking about .
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You have skipped the question!
You have two Angels on your shoulders, please explain using logic?
If you wish to rely on revelation THEN where has Allah told you that this is impermissible?
The first argument I addressed is NOT EVERYTHING which has Non-Muslim origins is impermissible and hence my example of Aspirin and Biscuits (crude but to make a point). You either accept this or if you don’t give me your evidence that you think everything which has Non-Muslim origins is Haram?
IF you don’t actually believe it then we don’t have a disagreement so let’s proceed forwards.
I think that you are mistaken between ACTS of WORSHIP and treatment. What is described in the OP is not an act of worship! It is a form of treatment like taking aspirin etc
The ARGUMENT made by brothers is that this is NOT mentioned in the Qur’aan and Sunnah so its impermissible and I am saying that this is NOT an act of worship, it is a treatment.
It is NOT an act of worship so nothing to do with Hindus or Barelwees, it’s a T-R-E-A-T-M-E-N-T and lets take the case of Aspirin and we check:
Now apply the same for the treatment and check with Ulama.
Teh key confuision for you is that this is NOT an act of worship.
I am not the one that brought up logic.
2) if the procedure mentioned in the opening post cannot be explained by logic, then how did such treatments come about and how do we know they are effective?
Are you willing to accept that you have wasted enough time and wish to backtrack?
The point I am making is that this is NOT Aqeedah, not an act of worship and simply a treatment so the rules which I have given umpteen times before will apply
it’s a T-R-E-A-T-M-E-N-T
WHY Saheeh Bukhari? Why not Riyadus-Saliheen or any other book?
He did not say read a book of poetry written by a sahabi.
Reading bukhari is a good deed and consists of sending salutations on the Prophet salalahu alayhhi wasalm, reading duas and istigfar mentioned in the hadith, seeking knowledge etc.
What does this have to do with peppers and fire that we are discussing? If we were speaking about reading Hansel and Gretel , then you would have a point.
The Muhaddithun in the past and present would recite the entire Bukhari for alleviating – among other things-:
DOES NOT mention:
So answer from:
You are free to retract your logic comment publicly and say that logic has nothing to do with Treatment
You are free to retract your efficacy comment and say that efficacy and permissibility are two different matters
You are free to state that all noble and blessed Ahadeeth are full of blessings and not just Saheeh Buukhari and you are unable to provide a logical or Shariah based reason for the practise of completing Saheeh Bukhari.
Your last point implies that practise of pious elders is proof! Do you agree or do you wish to retract?
Answers in steps:
Salah (Namaaz) is an act of worship, eating Biryani is NOT an act of worship! It can become an act of worship (if done according to Sunnah) but fundamentally and primarily eating Biryani and praying Fajar are not the same thing.
So there is a difference between praying Fajar and eating Birynai.
Please let me know your thoughts and then I will proceed with the rest of your question.
This is NOT the answer to the question, it is a start of a discussion. I know eating Biryani has nothing to do with the issue, this is to make you see a point!
Nope! Your ego is too big to admit that you throw concepts around which don't fit the situtaion.
We are discussing a treatment and in Islam it has nothing to do with the fact you fail to grasp the issue.
All you have to do is climb down from the Cloud cuckoo land and say that I threw some concepts around which don't fit this scenario.
Give the logical or Shariah evidence for finishing the entire Saheeh Bukhari?
This question isn’t about Hadeeth. This question is about Shaeeh Bukhari
Absolutely correct! but not sin it will become Haram (much more then sin).
Now slowly pause and read this and tell me what you disagree with.
This is not the answer to your question. This is a very slow start and once you admit and see that YES there are differences between acts of worship and “ACTS”, we will get to your Barelwee and Hindu examples.
Explain to me why you said everything in Islam is an act of worship, I have just shown you that there is a difference between praying Fajar and eating Biryani.
This cannot be undone and I am sure it will be greatly appreciated.