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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 5th December 2017 09:48

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Dude...

Equivalency is not the same as claiming something. I am a consultant with experience in my field in four different continents of the world so can I claim 3 PhDs based on my life experience?

Alamiyya is conferred upon someone completing  Dars-e-Nizami in an institute, I cannot claim Alamiyya doesn’t matter about the equivalency of my education.

I think you are smart enough not to make ridiculous and baseless arguments. Get the Institutes evaluated to confer PhD upon its graduates and then use it.

OR say that Takhasus has equivalency to PHD

Don’t mislead people into thinking that you have two PhDs, this guy is a dream catcher and he isn’t Mufti-Azam of America.

We both know this guy. Call one of his Mureeds (Fanboys or Fangirls) to come down here and defend his PhD, it doesn't suit you to make ridiculous and baseless arguments which I am pretty sure that even you can see the hollowness, yourself.

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Anyone who is defending PhD in this thread have triple PhD.

We don’t have the right to cheapen someone’s hard work, dedication and achievement. Dr76 is a medical Doctor and a consultant and he has achieved it through hard work and we should respect that.

If dream catcher wants a single PhD (let alone two), go out and get it like everyone else.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 5th December 2017 17:35
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The contents of my post were pretty much confirming what you said. I agree with you.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 10:24
I wasnt batting for Mufti Muneer Akhoon, merely enquiring if darse nizami and takhassus could be compared to BA, MA and PHD from universities.
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 6th December 2017 11:19

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Takhasus is specialisation in a broad field (generally) in Dars-e-Nizami.

MSc or PhD is thesis on a subject area after litertaure review and adding new knowledge or evaluating an older research etc

Two are not the same.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 7th December 2017 13:17
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Yes they definitely can. Unfortunately western universities do not have post-post-doc facets, otherwise some of takhasus could be compared to that as well.

In Madinah University the 4 year Bachelor Degree is a Bachelor's degree. But when a bachelor's grad comes to Madrasah he is asked to sit in the Mawquf alay (5th) or daura (6th).. [or 7th or 8th etc depending of which madrasah one goes to.

Pakistani universities give MA Islamiyat for Ulama' as well. So yes, equivalence can definitely be made.

Mind you, in some areas of academia in western world, they do not even consider degree you have, instead they ask for how many years you studied. This could be because in many American Universities, you can enroll into a PhD program right after Bachelors. Masters is not a requirement.

In that sense, it is just the schematics of what the Masters or PhD entails. If your research is in published literature, you could look into Masters. But if you wish to spend time in your own research, or build upon any other concurrent research, then PhD is your way. Believe me sometimes PhD researches are so narrowed and focused, that you feel no use in them.

PhD is Doctor of Philosophy.. it requires a peer reviewed desertification, as if that cannot be done in Iftaa' or other takhasus areas. Ofcourse it can be done, and is done. It just depends whether the modality of it is the same as is western spheres, or whether they retain their more traditional outlook to it.

But then those mostly in islamic studies ought to be looking at D.Th of ThD (Doctor of Theology). This is because ThD is more research based, and more focused to the theological construct within the framework.

Someone who has done Takhasus in Lugha, can only be equated to PhD in linguistic/language. or an appropriate level thereof. To not do that would be unfair and unjust.

Finally, Western world has a complete system of seminary studies where they give the VERY same degree, BA. MA and PhD or Post-Doc etc. for students. These seminary structure is separate from the registered universty structure. Some give out divinity degrees, while others are just the same methodological studies in a seminary environment instead of a conventional one.

Those who feel safe with their own studies in conventional system, find it very difficult to see seminary studies as an equal. The educational system does not accredit these seminary degrees, so in most cases their grads have to apply for equivillancies.

As for Dars e Nizami, it is a very vast curriculum. Needs a lot of revival and renewal, but the scope is quite vast. At the takhasus level, a singular field is chosen to spend further and learn within it. Some takhasus can itself be 4-5 years of studying under a teacher. Some of the teachers in our madaris still retain that seminary vibe of only giving sanad once confidence in the candidate is established.

I hope this helps.
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