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#106 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:14
Please maintain respect for the 'Ulama and your fellow muslims by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to remain silent than to speak ill of another person.
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#107 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:16

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  1. Then your reference point is incorrect and irrelevant. Hence your accusations of double standards by default are incorrect. You are just an extremely SHAMELESS individual who cannot come to grips with the fact that you made incorrect assumptions without background knowledge which led you to make hasty conclusions.
  2. You are bringing “Opinions” of other Scholars, that’s what they are “Opinions”…Do you understand the word “Opinions”? It is the “Opinion” of Mufti Ibn Adam (HA) which he is giving you ON TOP of a Hadeeth. It is an “Opinion” of Mufti Kifayatullah (RA) which happens to conflict with an “Opinion” of Mufti Ibn Adam (HA). The “Opinions” of Majlis and others are banned on this site and that’s why they are getting blocked
  3. IF you bring examples of free-mixing, men/women interacting together (without segregation) in a MOSQUE or in A BAZAAR they are wrong and impermissible and will be REJECTED. Do you get the point that it is free-mixing, men/women interacting together (without segregation) which is the issue EVEN IF IT HAPPENS at a MOSQUE.

So there are two complex issues which you are muddling:

  1. ISSUE 1: Women attending a MOSQUE
  2. ISSUE 2: Free-mixing, men/women interacting together (without segregation)

BOTH of these issues are completely irrelevant to the example in your OP hence you have been barking at the wrong tree for days. You have made SLANDER which is a serious crime.

IF you were a decent Human (let alone a Good Muslim) you would duly apologise for your error and misunderstanding and reract your slander.

THEN you can discuss the issue sanely and with courtesy.

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#108 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:27

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Brother

Which country do you live in by the way?

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#109 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:34
MUFTI MUADH

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#110 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:36
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what is majlis fatwas?
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#111 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:44

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I am not a Mufti Brother.

This Brother has been making baseless slander again Scholars, once he coms to his senses we can then actually discuss the issue.

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#112 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:56
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Fatwas by Maulana A.S. Desai db
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#113 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 15:56
Ok so what it make you happy if I instead asked: What is the basis for Ulama allowing and encouraging ladies to participate in events like the JKN family fun day, Channel Islam Gala Dinner, and other similar events, whether Islamic / Non Islamic, but at the same time completely banning them from the open air Eid Salah, and also as a separate issue, completely banning them from the Masjid? This query is in no way indicating that any haram actions took part in the events mentioned.
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#114 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:01
Brother Muadh

if you not a Mufti, then why are you acting like a Mufti.

why dont you quote kitabs from Fiqh?

why you'll fighting like jaahils amongst yourself.

i must say: the brother has a point.

if women are banned from Masjids and Eidgahs, then likewise they should be banned from shopping malls, fundays, etc.

are you Hanafi or shaafi.

i am shaafi,

1)Ibn Hajar Haitami clearly states that women are not allowed to visit the aswaaq, so by what strecth of logic may they attend fundays.

2) if there is fitnah in women attending masjids, then to a greater degree will it apply to fundays!

3) Mufti Kifayatullah has explained in kifaayatul Mufti that the Fuqaha have mentioned that there is fitnah in khurooj (female emergence) in itself. check Badai Sanaai and Mabsoot of Sarakhsi

4) according to the Qur'an, Hadeeth and the Fuqaha : women may only leave their homes for necessities. fundays are not necessities! check Ahkaamul Qur'aan.


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#115 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:03
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i dont care about this as desai chap
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#116 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:08
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if women are banned from Masjids and Eidgahs, then likewise they should be banned from shopping malls, fundays, etc.


I am glad that you understand my point. However I am not saying they should be banned from shopping malls, fun days, and other events where the laws of shariah aren't broken (free mixing, inappropriate dressing etc). I am saying they should not be completely banned from the Eidgahs and the Masjid.

So I am saying the same thing you said but in reverse i.e. if women are not banned (by the Ulama organizing and enouraging these events) from from shopping malls, fundays, etc. then likewise they should be not be banned from s Masjids and Eidgahs.
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#117 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:12
Actually ignore the shopping malls from the above, because going to shopping malls can be a need and it is different to the events we are talking about, and will just complicate matters.
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#118 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:24

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No problems very simple answer which has evaded you for days and hope that you understand it in plain and simple English.

Guidance of Islamic Shariah:

  1. Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) ENCOUARGED women to pray at Home thus the implicit DISCOUARGEMENT is there to go to the Masjid
  2. Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) DID NOT discourage a woman from travelling with her Husband for a Halal purpose, for a Halal reason providing that the conditions of Islamic Shariah are fulfilled

The default here is DISCOURAGMENT to a Mosque. If you get this point you understand the whole issue.

Application of Faulty Logic:

You are using your FAULTY LOGIC and applying a Hadeeth where it doesn’t belong.

  1. Going to Mosque is Discouraged!
  2. Therefore Going to Husband’s Aunty is also Discouraged
  3. Because Going to Husband’s Aunty is LESS then going to Mosque.

Why is this Logic Faulty?

Because in order to declare something Halal or Haram you need evidence from Islamic Shariah and not conjecture and logic, for example:

  1. Grape Juice is Halal
  2. Wine (made from Grape Juice) is Haram
  3. Vinegar (fermented wine) is Halal

For each of these is evidence from Islamic Shariah and not cnjecture and logic!

What would make going to Islamic Event for Women (or Men) Haram?

There is no default DISCOURAGMENT.

A violation of Shariah would make it Haram, for example:

  1. Travelling without Mehram
  2. Free-Mixing
  3. Gender Interaction at the Event
  4. Music (unfortunately it’s happening)
  5. Any other Shariah violation

JKN Bradford

  1. Did NOT happen at a Mosque
  2. Did NOT happen at Eid
  3. There was no Free-mixing, Music, Haram (so additonal) factors were not present
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#119 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:30

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Get your Shaf'ae Fiqh material and be switched on. After the discussion with a Hanafi Insha'Alah I will consult some Ulama and talk to you.

One issue at a time.

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#120 [Permalink] Posted on 16th March 2017 16:32
Great. We can reach a conclusion very soon. Make the above point again using Eid Salah in an open field. I don't think You can so my point still stands. Judging from your attitude and refusal to answer my specific questions to you, and refusing to admit your blatant errors pointed out to you in this thread, I think you may ignore this request.

Secondly you are introducing another aspect to the topic, where it is preferred for women to pray. We were never discussing that. We were speaking about allowance and prohibiton, not encouragement and discouragement for praying in the Masjid.
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