So as I have asked multiple times, what is HIS ISAMIC PROOF of the event at Bradford a violation of any of the points above.
All I get is moaning and whining [/quote]
Is Mufti Kifayatullah a drama queen and wants attention so he trolls and trolls and stoops ever lower in his quest to show double standards? Mufti Kifayatullah just CANNOT seem to understand the difference between a MOSQUE and an ordinary building?
His reasoning is: "Hence, it is established that the emergence of women from their homes is a cause of Fitnah. It is for this reason that to make Purdah arrangements at Lecture gatherings is of no benefit, and there will be no effect by it being made permissible. Otherwise it will then become incumbent to make separate arrangements in the Masaajid, for women to attend the Salaat and join in the Jamaa’at (congregation), and permission will have to be granted for this as well, as a matter of priority. But this is not established from any kitaab."
Since women are allowed for Eid (in his opinion)
They should be allowed in a Mosque 24x7 and for events[/quote]
You constantly put words in my mouth to prove your point. I never made such points. I was placing emphasis on Eid throughout the discussion and you insisted on starting the dialogue with women going to Masjid. Yes my point is if women are allowed at such events then they should be no big deal if they are allowed for Eid Salah with the proper conditions in place.
The words of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) are clear but offer no reasons and no explanations. The Fatwa of (Mufti) Ibn Adam (HA) and other Ulama may offer reasons (fear, Fitnah) but the Hadeeth is clear. Those are not in the Haeeth. Therefore, EVEN if those factors are addressed prayer of a Women in a MOSQUE will not change status. Brother is unable to distinguish the words of Nabi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) from the explanation of Scholars. He simply is unable or unwilling (after days of discussions) to separate wood from the trees.
So yes the words of Nabi Sallahu Alyhi Waslam are clear not to ban women from Mosques, and to encourage them to come to Eid Salah.
[quote]Because there is no prohibition of women attending a BUILDING while fulfilling laws of Hijab etc.
And there is no PROHIBITION of women attending a Masjid or Eid gah while fulfilling the laws of Hijab etc.
My Islamic proof for my reasoning once again is as follows:
‘Allāmah Ibn ‘Abidīn said:
“Since she is prevented from attending congregation, there is all the more reason to prevent her from a sermon and rain prayer. Al-‘Aynī included the rain prayer within the congregations, while what we said is superior.” (Minhat al-Khāliq, on the margins of al-Bahr, 1:359)
‘Allāmah al-Haskafī said:
“It is impermissible for them to attend congregation, even Jumu‘ah, and ‘Id and sermons, in general, even an old woman in the night according to the position of the madhhab on which fatwa is given because of the corruption of the time.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr, 1/566)
Allaamah Badruddeen Aini (rahmatullaahi ‘alayh) states in Sharah-e-Kanz:
“Women, be they young or old, are prohibited from attending the Masjid for Jamaa’at Salaat because this is an era of social decay and immorality.”
It is reported from Imaam Abu Haneefah (rahmatullaahi alayh) that it is permissible for old ladies to attend Fajr, Maghrib and Eshaa Salaats. Saahibain (lmaam Abu Yusuf and Imaam Muhammad) and the other 3 Imaams (Maalik, Shaaf’i and lbn Hambal) (rahmatullaahi ‘alayhim) say old ladies can attend all Salaats. However, the ruling of these times is that old and young women are all prohibited from attending Salaat in Jamaa’at. And the author is also of the opinion that Jumu’ah, ‘Eid and Istisqaah Salaats and Lecture gatherings are all included in this prohibition, specifically those lectures of persons posing as ‘Ulama whose object is to satisfy their desires and to earn worldly benefits.” (Aini Sharah Kanz, Page 39)
“It is not permissible for women to attend Salaat in congregation, whether it be Jumu’ah or ‘Eid Salaat or a Lecture, even if she is old and it is night time. This is the final ruling (regarding this Mas-alah). This ruling is given due to the present (lamentable) state of social immorality.” (Durrul Mukhtaar, Page 397, Vol 1)
I think I have said more than enough, but I could not let you get away with that post.