women, masjid, dinners, fun days, double standards

Again your faulty LOGIC will let you down again when it clashes with the Hadeeth of Nabi (Sallaho Allaihe Wassallam) but a SHAMELESS individual like you will carry ON and ON and ON!

"ASSUMPTION"

I have put quotes around the word assumption to say that it’s a hypothetical assumption to make a point.

WOMEN ARE PERMITTED ON EID

EXPLICIT HADEETH FORBIDS COMPARING EID TO ANY OTHER DAYS!

You are now put in a bind because Eid is ONLY TWO DAYS of the Year and explicit Hadeeth forbids Muslims from having “Eid like days” or taking any injunctions about Eid and applying it outside of Eid.

عَنْ أَنَسٍ رضي الله عنه قَالَ قَدِمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ الْمَدِينَةَ وَلَهُمْ يَوْمَانِ يَلْعَبُونَ فِيهِمَا ، فَقَالَ : مَا هَذَانِ الْيَوْمَانِ ؟ قَالُوا : كُنَّا نَلْعَبُ فِيهِمَا فِي الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ . فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : ( إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَبْدَلَكُمْ بِهِمَا خَيْرًا مِنْهُمَا : يَوْمَ الْأَضْحَى ، وَيَوْمَ الْفِطْرِ

Anas bin Maalik (radi Allahu anhu) said: “The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) came to Madinah and the people had two days when they would play and have fun. He said, ‘What are these two days?’ They said, ‘We used to play and have fun on these days during the Jaahiliyyah (Days of Ignorance). The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said, ‘Allah has given you something better than them, the day of (Eid) Adhaa and the day of (Eid) Fitr.’”

JKN Bradford

1. Did NOT happen at a Mosque
2. Did NOT happen at Eid
3. There was no Free-mixing, Music, Haram (so additonal) factors were not present

Sunshine! It would be correct if I made a claim to rely on LOGIC. I am not.

I am not relying on LOGIC at all. I am relying on explicit text to guide me. It’s your “faulty” logic, incorrect facts and faulty data which is leading you to wrong conclusion.

Now you are whinging and whining so when you can put together a coherent argument I will respond.

No problems and you are still wrong!

As I said that the DEFAULT for a Woman travelling is PERMISSABLE as long as (other) conditions are fulfilled:

www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/19800

Treat your wife to a vacation or an outing and spend some quality time with her. Find out what she likes and organize some activities with her. When taking such vacations, remember not to let your other family and jobs intervene. Let her feel that this time is especially for her. This will encourage her to confide in you.

The issue is discouragement of going to the Masjid by DEFAULT.

Other Halal travelling, visits etc are permissible by DEFAULT unless there is something else which makes it discouraging i.e. an external factor.

Reason for your Error?

You are thinking that the discouragement of going to the Masjid is DUE to external factors so you are trying to REMOVE the external factors and then arguing that the original discouragement no longer stands.

You are willing to butcher Qur’aan, Hadeeth, Logic, Opinions ANYTHING which stands in your way to get there.

I know and I am trying to give you a way out of your STUPIDITY!

From your own OP and in your own words you have admitted that a few Muftees happen to be disagreeing on the matter, here is a breakdown from your own words:

1. Mufti AK Hosein = Forbidden
2. Shaykh Abdur Rahim limbada = Leave it
3. Mufti Abdur Rahman Mangera = Permitted

If you had a mind and an ounce of intelligence you would have GRASPED the fact that 3 separate Ulama have 3 separate opinions. THEREFORE this is NOT a cut and dry Haram issue (as my head is telling me).

It must be nuanced and differences and that’s why 3 Ulama appear to have 3 separate opinions.

But since you lack Intelligence and are an egotistical pompous individual you went on to slander everyone by labelling them as having double standards

An intelligent and humble person would have asked this:

1. There seem to be 3 separate opinions from Scholars here
2. How come going to fun day is permissible when going to Masjid (according to Mufti A K Hossen) is forbidden? Surely going to Mosque is more important than fun day.

The answer would have been this:

• There is no BLANKET PROHIBITION of going to the Mosque or Eid (by extension) for Women. There is discouragement which several Ulama have interpreted on a graduating scale (throughout times). In the Hanafi Madhab (originally) there are slight variances between the students of Imam Abu Haneefa (RA), Imam Abu Yusuf (RA) and Imam Muhammad (RA). So some Ulama have declared it to extremely disliked (thus forbidden), some have declared it mildly disliked and others have declared it permissible (according to conditions).
• Then some Ulama have extended this ruling (of extreme dislike) and applied it to many others matters because they have deduced since going to Masjid is more important then everything else….Everything else should be more so disliked
• Then some Ulama who have given the ruling (of extreme dislike) said that NO this DOES NOT apply to travelling for seeking knowledge or reforming Islam (example Tableeghi Jamaat)
• Then some Ulama have stated that the original injunction is NOT for impermissibility BUT for discouragement. They have also said that this applies to going to Mosque and NOT to any other purpose. All other purposes will be looked on (as individual case by case) basis.

But as I said ignorance and ego are a dangerous cocktail. I asked you to discuss the issues point by point but you continuously want to jump the gun so on top of your (inherent) discrepancies you are also impatient!

He is Modernist Troll who isn’t very bright!

If he was sincere then he would at least say look I jumped to conclusions about JKN (Bradford) event and I am Sorry but I still have questions and I don't get it.

He has the right to make a point and have opinions different to others,

He doesn't have the right to slander people.

I very clearly understand his confusion and his line of thinking. I neither agree nor will accept his slander and accusations.

Then you have nothing to argue about. Take the opnion of Mufti Mangera (HA) and live your life. Mufti Saiful islam (HA) runs JKN and it isn't a Masjid

So again you have not done any research, wrongly deduced and then made slanderous accusations.

You can disagree but you CANNOT slander!