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#151 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2017 22:57
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For future readers, it may be helpful to note the references of this incident.

It is mentioned in Stories of the Ṣaḥābah by Shaykh al-Ḥadīth Mawlānā Zakariyyā Kāndhlawī (رحمه الله) on page 165 of the English translation:



This is the page (161) in the Urdu edition with takhrīj, which mentions Usd al-Ghābah (fī Maʿrifat al-Ṣaḥābah) by ʿAllāmah Ibn al-Athīr as the reference:



This is from the page (1548) in Usd al-Ghābah (Dār Ibn Ḥazm, 1st ed.):



The incident is also mentioned by Imām Ibn Kathīr in al-Bidāyah wa 'l-Nihāyah (Dār Ibn Kathīr, 2nd ed.) - (7/79). This one is actually regarding ʿUmar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb (رضي الله عنه):

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#152 [Permalink] Posted on 18th March 2017 07:55
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Many posts ago I had already given links to the actions of some of the Sahaba (RA) and I also typed this up yesterday but then deleted the post.

The reason being is this guy is a shameless individual who isn't really after information and the more you feed him the more he will pick on the information.

The basis issue still stands that he decided to accuse some very Senior Ulama of double standards when his facts and information have been thoroughly lacking and insufficient.

There is nothing wrong with disagreement.
There is nothing wrong with asking questions.
There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion.
BUT there is something seriously wrong with (starting with a) slander and being shameless enough to stick to it when it becomes clear as daylight that it was an error.

Not even an acknowledgement to say that he was perhaps, maybe, possibly a little hasty or premature in jumping to conclusions on the issue of double standards. What we are witnessing is a Muslim example of Donald Trump and wiretapping scandal.

The reasons may still be the same i.e. deflection and taking attention away from something else and foundation is still narcissism.

May Allah Ta'ala save us from such arrogance and what we are witnessing in our times (Ameen)
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#153 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2017 03:40
I am sorry for having to bring up this thread again, but this had to be posted. The following is from bro. Muadh's blog, which I happen to come across accidentally while searching for something on google.

www.muftisays.com/blog/Muadh_Khan/3548_07-02-2014/are-deo...

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Assalaamu Alaykum,

If you look into the hanafi texts, they also have disallowed women going out for lectures (wa'z), *even* if her husband permits it. The texts state that the husband is sinful in permitting her that. Plus, they have stated that the fatwa today is that going to the mosques is discouraged in all cases, for old and young women, and it is not permissible.

And you can read this in the texts of the deobandi elders too, such as Ml. Thanwi (in baheshti zewar) and others who have declared it impermissible for women to go out for "taqreeb" etc.

So, those who defend and promote (almost fanatically) the opinion that it is discouraged for women to go to the masjid, they should discourage women to go out of their homes in other cases also, and also deem the husband sinful for allowing such. And this would include going out for shopping, or for a walk etc.

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W-Salam, Agreed.


Bro. Ansari is saying almost the same thing I was trying to say in this entire thread, and while in this thread Muadh tries to make me look like an idiot, here is Muadh agreeing with Bro. Ansari.
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#154 [Permalink] Posted on 1st April 2017 09:22
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For the hundredth time, the disagreement with you is that the event DID NOT take place at a Mosque, DID NOT take place at Eid therefore your original Assertion is baseless slander based on faulty research and data.

The second part of dispute is that a women will always be "discouraged" to pray at a Mosque and "encouarged" to pray at Home due to a direct text in the Hadeeth.

That's the summary of dispute with you.

Once you get past your Ego and realise what you have done then we actually get to discuss the other issues.

There are Ulama who rule that women shouldn't emerge out of their homes (except out of necessity) and that is the part which is subjective and can be discussed.

The problem is that your ego is so enormous that you cannot come to the realization that you have mixed up a number of topics, got your facts wrong and then gone ahead to slander some Scholars and you continue to insist and persist with your baseless slander!

The simple answer to your question about the necessity (as given 100 times before) is that the Ulama at Bardford DO NOT subscribe to your supposed "deductive reasoning and analysis". You have taken some opinion and tried to paste it upon (number of Ulama) and Thank God you have spared Mufti Mangera.

The issue with you is the (faulty) line of reasoning which you have taken.

And we continue to watch your pompous arrogant ego run amock instead of clearly admitting that you got the original premise wrong.

As I said a 100 times before, be a Muslim be humble and admit your error of original slander and we can discuss your ancillary points all day.

Its your slander which is the issue!
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