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#226 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 11:53
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I partially agree :)

If it was only up to the government or some elements of establishment, Kashmir would be gradually and imperceptibly erased from Pakistani minds...

But there are a few things that needs to be considered :

• People/leaders sometimes become ‘prisoners to their own rhetoric’ , and Pakistani rhetoric is too loud to be easily forgotten. The DGISPR have almost committed himself on the Kashmir issue. It will not be easy for them to step back now...

• Kashmiris themselves have shown great resilience for their cause, have sacrificed too many lives, many more injured or in jails, they have been dishonoured and disrespected by the Indian forces and RSS elements. They will neither forget nor forgive. May that be an independent state of Kashmir or joining Pakistan , they will keep struggling for their cause.

• As I said earlier, the RSS ideology will not stop at IOK, they will have their eyes on the remaining part of Kashmir and northern areas, and if possible on the rest of Pakistan too, to re-establish ‘Akhand Bharat’.

Indeed, it is hard even to think of a war between two nuclear armed states, but short of total surrender for Pakistan , I can’t see how a war can be avoided, and even a ‘total surrender’ may not guarantee ‘peace’ , as policy of appeasement has never been successful to avoid wars in the past, and it will never be successful in the future.
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#227 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 12:00

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 Zaid Hamid's Twitter Account has been silent since 29th of August so DG ISPR has obviously put a clamp on the Iranian Jackass!

twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid

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#228 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 12:21
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True, as Asif Ghafoor said : “You all know WHAT needs to be done, now leave it to us HOW to do it”...

Zaid Hamid was trying to teach them how to do it :)
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#229 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 13:49
After all Modi is the Prime Minister of India. India being a big country. No matter how fanatic Modi becomes, doesn't he realize this that if Nuclear war happens, there will remain no people to govern.

Do you think that India will attack Pakistan, before Pakistan is denuclearized somehow?
Do you believe that Pakistan can be denuclearized?
Do you assume that Shias and Qadianis in the Army and ISI can be used to do the job of denuclearization? Are they influential enough yet?
If North Korea can sustain it's nuclear program with poor economy then why can't Pakistan? So economically destroying Pakistan completely so that she can't maintain her nuclear assets and eventually destroys her own program doesn't seem logical.
Do you think that the deteriorating condition of Pakistan's economy will force the people of Pakistan to pick up courage and start a civil war which will further encourage the Indians to attack?

What could be the Plan B of India in order to prevent nuclear war by denuclearizing Pakistan?
Will China allow India to turn into Akhand Bharat and then be a danger for her future economic and super power status?
What will be the role of China and Russia in war between India and Pakistan? Will they remain spectators? Can this war become the starting point of World War 3?

The Nuclear war is puzzling me and confusing me. What good will be Akhand Bharat if there are no Bharatis?

Technical questions: How effective is Anti Ballistic Missile System in order to stop Nuclear attacks? Can Nuclear warheads explode in the air and can radiation and other destructive material spread in the air without the warheads hitting the ground? How advanced is India's Anti Ballistic Missile System and how advanced is Pakistan's ballistic missile system? Can Pakistan's Ballistic Missiles beat India's Anti Ballistic Missiles? Doesn't Indian leadership realize this that even if they miss one Pakistani missile and even one nuclear warhead hits successfully then it can and will do irreparable damage to the planet?
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#230 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 13:56
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Good questions !

So, what are the answers ?
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#231 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 14:08
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It was all those things in mind which encouraged Modi to take the first step. ‘You do it and leave them thinking about the response and it’s consequences to the region and the world’.

The most logical response is ‘sustained low key insurgency in IOK by the “local” population of Kashmir’.(FATF should have no objection to ‘home grown uprising’ against the Indian rule). Pakistan will off course keep giving them “moral” and “political” support.ISI is good at that. The ball will then be in the Indian court, and they will have to find answers to the same kind of questions, instead of Pakistan. It will take blood, sweat and tears to get the job done, but that is what war is all about....
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#232 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 14:41
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Ghaznawi is a 290 KM Nuclear SSM Hyper-sonic missile. There is no defense against it due to short distances, speed and time involved. You cannot dispatch anything in the short amount of time, technology does not exist!

For example:

  1. 186 Miles (distance)
  2. Ghaznawi travelling at 2800 Miles/Hour (this is deliberately slow speed just to show you reaction times)
  3. Time to target =  0.066 seconds

Indians also have Hyper-sonic SSM so they can do the same so make no mistakes.

The only option to liberate Kashmir is JIHAD and slow-burning native (Kashmiri) insurgency.We can talk and we can talk but nothing else will work except this.

Jihad will resume and sooner or later India will have no choice but to cross the border into Pakistan to quash it. The insurgency in Kashmir cannot be countered in Kashmir.

But before that happens Indians will start coming back from Afghanistan in body bags, read this from 2 days ago in a Indian leaning think tank.

nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/afghanistan-w...

The writing is on the wall for a state known as India but there will be a lot of casualties and bloodshed.

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#233 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 14:47
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👍👍👍👍👍

You said it all for me :)

JazakAllah khairan

I wish I had the same kind of communication skills.
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#234 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 17:13
If war happens then it will be a nuclear one. What will be left behind to rule for this fool?

Does Pakistan and India have enough nuclear weapons that the whole subcontinent can become lifeless and infra-structure less if all the devices are used?
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#235 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 17:44
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He is a hostage in the hands of RSS. He is hostage to hatred and anger against Muslims. He is a captive in the hands of his own past political slogans.... He is EXTREMIST !

Extremism breeds on hatred and sometimes it makes people do things that only a madman can do. That is why they become dangerous and unpredictable. People expect them to be ‘normal’ and expects them to behave rationally , while in reality they are blind and deaf, incapable of logical thinking and insensitive towards other human beings. That is how MODI and most of his cabinet members are in reality. A bunch of Lunatics is ruling ‘the biggest democracy in the world’....

But as an even bigger terrorist than Modi had once said: “Terror can only be countered with an even greater terror”, so we must be ready to put some fear of God into their hearts. We will be destroyed and they will be destroyed but ‘we expect from Allah in the hereafter what they don’t’ , and while many like us will ‘remain’ in the world, InshaAllah, ‘none’ like them will remain to witness the final outcome.

Let us see who blinks first :)
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#236 [Permalink] Posted on 6th September 2019 18:39

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Nuclear explosion apart from a few mile radius does nothing to the infrastructure, it can kill living things across continents!




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#237 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2019 10:26
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For centuries we as a nation have hardly done any scientific invention.Leave alone invention, most of us have not even bothered to copy and build upon ‘their’ inventions. We could not even make good universities to properly learn the technical skills which they had mastered. We could not even build good industries to make products which ‘they’ invented. Do we even deserve to be the ‘masters of the world’. ?


www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnEjppSCREM
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#238 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2019 11:12
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What can be said about that kind of argument ?
Sipraomer, you are a much more learned person than ignorants like me, and you are evidently more sincere. If it satisfies you, then consider me satisfied....

Search your soul :)
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#239 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2019 12:57
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Assalam u Alaikum,

Not at all sir. However, I just wanted to point out that these ideas do not belong to a person like me who is ignorant, extremist, radical, jahil, a person who even doesn't know the basics of deen, and not literate in Arabic language and of course in classical or modern Shariah sciences. A mufti of very high caliber here is saying the same things.

Without a markaz, our efforts may impact on micro level. However, at macro level, the only solution is khilafa for which we need a markaz. At least, I cannot digest this that there is any other way to dethrone Shaytan except Legitimate Jihad. Yes we need every tool we can gather. However, those tools must be focused on building the markaz and not doing random actions, believing that this will change the situation. Concentrated effort must be put on building that markaz instead of some vague ideas or logical gymnastics.

Now, this Mufti sahab (Mufti Tariq Mas'ood Sahab) has hopefully studied the Seerah in detail in Arabic and has also read some Islamic history. (I hope so).




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Page No. 211 (Dajjal Kaun kub Kahan by Mufti Abu Lubaba Shah Mansoor Sahab)


On reaching here, one’s conscience asks from oneself that “What should we do?”

Our best and truthful well-wisher Prophet Muhammad SAWS has advised us to take some precautionary measures through his ahadith. Nothing can benefit us but his instructions. First of all we will discuss the prophetic solutions and then we would relate those solutions with our current circumstances but before that we would provide a summary of all this.

The Fitna of Dajjal consists of three stages. Intense, Extreme and Un bearable. This ummah has entered the first stage. It will soon enter the next two stages. In order to face these stages with success and protection of iman to save the whole of mankind from this greatest fitna, there is only one way and that is “Jihad fi Sabeelillah”…. Jihad means to do qitaal in order to establish the deen of Allah. Nothing else can save us. No other method will be successful.

If education and dawah, politics, knowledge and technology are used to facilitate jihad then they are beneficial. However, if we leave jihad then the rest of the efforts are useless.

Throughout history, the secret of the success of Muslims was Jihad fi Sabeelillah and in the current times and future also the law of Allah will not change.

The biggest problem of Muslims of the current age is that they want to confront Western hegemony by trying to acquire technology where as it is impossible to do so. In this field the West is so ahead of us that we can’t beat them even in sports. Hence, how can we beat them in real world problems through technology and without Jihad?


Hopefully this Mufti Shah Mansoor sahab is also well versed in Sharai' uloom. Knows Arabic and has read Seerah and history in detail.
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#240 [Permalink] Posted on 8th September 2019 13:11
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Yes, but ‘they’ will not allow us even to find that markaz, fortify it and consolidate our efforts there unless we have power and these days power is defined as technology and strong economy,second only to “strong Iman and taqwa”.

This is the جاده و منزل (The path and the destination) of our struggle for the renaissance of this ummah ....
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