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#451 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd January 2019 18:21
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Or do you expect an equally engaging poem to counter her poem?

Iqbal has already written many to counter this narrative in Zarb-e-Kaleem.
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#452 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 04:05
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His poems have many persian words. We need to upgrade the language.

Although, one statement comes to my mind.

Nai Tehzeeb ke anday hain ganday
Chorh doh firauniat warna ho jao gey ganjay :)

Leave the secular ways of this new and alien civilization
Otherwise you will be destroyed like the rebellious Pharaoh
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#453 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 05:35
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Can we convince only with words? Can we be convinced only with words?


(1) I was looking for academic refutation only. In that too I would prefer polite rebuttal only. Any assertive tone will be interpreted by the cowards as aggression and hence they will further tremble in their fears and raise as much hell as they are capable of.

(2) No, words can not convince. People have hidden agendas and sadly you can not respond to their hidden agendas even if you can make that out. Usually it is very difficult to smell hidden agendas.

(3) Since you know this point that words are not sufficient to deal with certain situations I suppose we can cover another angle - we have to make our own view known to the detractors.

(4) Please understand that Rasoolallah SAW took utmost care to communicate Islamic view to the enemies - he never looked for trouble.

(5) My view is that there still a lot to communicate to the west. The west today is a collection of idiots who live in the past fear, memory of defeated crusades.

(6) We are not out to get them. We simply want to live according to our own terms in our societies. That is all.
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#454 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 06:37
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Okay! I didn't intend to pollute your thread or question your ideas.

I was just curious what kind of response you wanted so your latest reply clarified that.

I apologize if I have hurt your feelings or somehow damaged your mission.
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#456 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 07:02
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Why so much of apology brother? Just relax. With Muadh Khan also when you have a difference of opinion then just identify the precise point of departure and then both of you go on your respective ways. Other brothers and sisters too should do the same. The trick is to co-operate on those issues and points on which we agree and do whatever constructive things we can do. Fighting with each other plays havoc with our Quloob - spiritual state of our respective hearts.

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#457 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 09:08
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#458 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 09:43
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Firstly; Apologies brother Maripat for sidetracking here.

A suggestion to Brother Sipraomer and and Sister Bint e Aisha. Maybe you can open a thread on peotry and just post there.

I'm not a fan of poetry even though it is permitted in Islam. I rather stay away from it as it's one of the traits of Shaitan too - but that's just how I feel about it :(


Anyways, the reason for posting here was the translation: As you know, Urdu isn't my mother tongue so on a light hearted tone and with the hope this brings a smile on your face - Or even laughing till you drop - I'd like to translate it as a non Urdu person and as a word for word understanding and see what you make of it.
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Nai Tehzeeb ke anday hain ganday
Chorh doh firauniat warna ho jao gey ganjay :)

Leave the secular ways of this new and alien civilization
Otherwise you will be destroyed like the rebellious Pharaoh

Otherwise :)
This new culture has filthy eggs
Let go of the pharaonic ways, lest you become bald (in shame)

Personally, I like my translation and is much more fitting :)

Edit: Bold updated to Bald which is the correct spelling, Jzk.
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#459 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 09:52
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I rather stay away from it as it's one of the traits of Shaitan too - but that's just how I feel about it :(

Assalamu alaikum

I appreciate you've written it is permitted in Islam but just want to point out that Iqbal's poetry was completely immersed in the love of Allah and His Rasool صلى الله عليه وسلم. Even Rasulullah صلى الله عليه وسلم would listen to Hassan bin Thabit's poetry (رضی اللہ عنه) and Ammi Aisha رضی اللہ عنها would also write poetry, so for me it is their Sunnah.
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#460 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd January 2019 13:22
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1. If you study the biography of Sayyidina Umar RA, you will know that he also used to love some poets who would say a verse or two in favour of Islam.

2. There are poets even in Sahaba RA in Prophet's SAWS time who would confront the kuffar with their poetry.

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3. This new culture has filthy eggs
Let go of the pharaonic ways, lest you become bold (in shame)


If you want to literally translate the urdu verse then I would suggest that you should swap the word "bold" with "bald".
"Ganjay" in urdu means bald in English.

This new culture has filthy eggs
Let go of the pharaonic ways, lest you become bald

4. I am not fond of poetry myself (Because I don't understand it because of it's difficult vocabulary). However, I only wrote those two verses (One was Iqbal's creation and the other verse was my imagination), because if you visit the link Professor Sahab shared then you will see that that woman in that youtube video is reciting a poem.
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#461 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2019 06:14
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I think I now know the kind of response I wanted.

I made a post in my Pakistan thread about Muslim Ummah being in the process of bouncing back to her glory.

There will be people who will not agree with me. I am fine with them.

My request is to those who agree, even if feebly.

So can you make a case in favour of my post there in the same style as this lady made a case for her ideology - whatever it is.

This is what I want from my brothers and sisters.

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#462 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd February 2019 06:23
Ambedkar and Muslims


Ambedkar was approached by none other than Hazrat Syed Abul Hasan Ali Sahab Nadwi RA to come to the fold of Islam. Needless to say the things did not work out for the best.

As I know Ambedkar's attitude towards Islam and Muslims was of indecision.

This indecision has been used by competing parties to their own advantage in India.

So the Chief Executive (yeah that is a good translation for his official title) of the RSS Mr Mohan Bhagwat warned against Dalit-Muslim alliance 'quoting' Ambedkar.

Then there is the historical fact - Muslims saved Ambedkar from political oblivion.
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#463 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 18:39
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#464 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 19:00
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Ok man!
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#465 [Permalink] Posted on 5th February 2019 19:14
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The post was removed because it is off topic.

@ brother Maripat, the sister has said:
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Thank you Professor Maripat! We need more people like you on this forum.


@ sister Bint e Aisha, I'm sure you will understand and appreciate that your message has still been conveyed.
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