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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 11:14
Please maintain respect for the 'Ulama and your fellow muslims by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to remain silent than to speak ill of another person.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 11:21
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Whether you like it or not the Hadith says clearly dajjal will rise from a group of kharijites. The jews will follow him but he will rise from the kharijites. That must mean he will have some sort of Islamic guise, at least to start of with.

The Kharijites believe themselves to be muslims who are fighting feesabeelillah. This has always been a fixed quality of the kharijites in every age. Ayyub Sakhtiani رضي الله عنه said that the Kharijites come in different forms but they all agree on the sword.

It's very unlikely a sufi will fool the kharijites. Kharijites see all sufi types as kafirs. Dhahabi for example said that only the kharijites of his time rejected tabarruk as shirk. Which pious looking group rejects tabarruk today and see it as shirk? Not only do they see sufis as kafirs but many kharijites see anyone not in their version of feesabeelillah as kafirs.

A pious looking kharijite dajjal will definitely attract many muslims from around world. Look how many got fooled by that baghdadi guy. Now imagine baghdadi with 1000× more potency and powers of deception and also with miracles to boot.

You can imagine the type of brothers to get hoodwinked by such a character.
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 11:41
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using that logic then dajjal cant fool anyone bein a khawaarij as everyone considers them as deviants
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:24
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My request : please mention the Hadeeth narrating that Dajjal will be from khawarij or that he will initially show himself as Muslim.

I am interested only for my own satisfaction. No arguments intended...
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:30
I believe this was asked and answered before. Anyways, here is a Hadith that may be understood this way:

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “People will appear who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. Every time a faction emerges it will be cut off.” I heard the Prophet say this more than ten times until he said, “The False Messiah will appear in their midst.”

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 174

Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani

عَنْ ابْنِ عُمَرَ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ يَنْشَأُ نَشْءٌ يَقْرَءُونَ الْقُرْآنَ لَا يُجَاوِزُ تَرَاقِيَهُمْ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ قَالَ ابْنُ عُمَرَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ كُلَّمَا خَرَجَ قَرْنٌ قُطِعَ أَكْثَرَ مِنْ عِشْرِينَ مَرَّةً حَتَّى يَخْرُجَ فِي عِرَاضِهِمْ الدَّجَّالُ

174 سنن ابن ماجه كتاب المقدمة باب في ذكر الخوارج

144 المحدث الألباني خلاصة حكم المحدث حسن في صحيح ابن ماجه
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:35
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JazakAllah khairan katheer !

Very alarming indeed.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:40
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Just because the Hadiths say dajjal will come from kharijites doesn't mean others won't follow him. We know from other Hadiths that many others will follow him including the jews.

Most people today regard kharijites as deviants not out of deeni considerations. They only do it out of worldly considerations. So when the worldly considerations tip in favour of dajjal then the very same people will follow him.

A little promise of adventure, some flashy propaganda, promise of booty including concubines, etc. was enough for a lot of previously non-practising muslims to make the risky journey to Syria. So imagine the numbers flocking to dajjal with the promise of far greater adventures, literally unlimited booty and concubines, constantly beautiful weather, no restrictions whatsoever, etc.
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:44
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Please check the Arabic and the word used for Midst because in English, it doesn't exactly mean "to be one of them"

In English, "In their midst " means "During" "In The Middle of" etc.

Allahu Alum
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 13:52
Not to mention the wording "appear". That doesn't sound to me like being "of them". He could be from amongst another group but makes his appearance amongst the kharijites.

If people (Muslims included) can be fooled by absolute degenerate philosophies like those of Mirza Qadiyani and Aga Khan, then I have no doubt that Dajjal will be able to "inspire" such people too.
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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 14:07
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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 14:20
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Assalam o Alaikum,

So it means that Dajjal will be Kharji...right?
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 14:21
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There are other narrations. This one says "they will not cease to emerge until the last of them will emerge with dajjal"

عن أبي برزة، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: (( يخرج في آخر الزمان قوم كأن هذا منهم، هديهم هكذا يقرؤن القرآن لا يجاوز تراقيهم، يمرقون من الإسلام كما يمرق السهم من الرمية، ثم لا يرجعون إليه ووضع يده على صدره سيماهم التحليق، لا يزالون يخرجون حتى يخرج آخرهم مع المسيح الدجال، فإذا لقيتموهم فاقتلوهم! هم شر الخلق والخليقة )).
(أخرجه الحاكم في المستدرك (2/147) وقال: صحيح وسكت عنه الذهبي.)
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 15:17
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Such ahadeeth can be interpreted in many ways..
And there are other ahadeeth narrating the opposit,like the one in مسند احمد جلد ۳ حدیث ۷۹،where the sahabi was pointedly asked if Dajjal will be amongst khawarij,and the answer was a clear NO.The same Hadeeth is also mentioned by Ibne katheer ra in his book about end days.

As i have said before,the phenomena of Dajjal is about ‘deception’.

Even today,we don,t really know how many groups or persons amongst us are being used,knowingly or unknowingly,by jews,CIA and the likes. ISIS is a good example and i am sure most of you must have seen Abubakr baghdadi,s pictures with american senator joh McCain on the net...

Now think of the deception DAJJAL can potentially create.

So,one would be cautious to interpet such ahadeeth.When the time comes Momineen will inshaAllah know...
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 15:29
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"And there are other ahadeeth narrating the opposit,like the one in مسند احمد جلد ۳ حدیث ۷۹،where the sahabi was pointedly asked if Dajjal will be amongst khawarij,and the answer was a clear NO.The same Hadeeth is also mentioned by Ibne katheer ra in his book about end days."

Could you quote that narration here. The one I quoted uses the word "ma'a" (together with) which doesn't leave much room for interpretation. Dajjal will no doubt be a kafir but the last group of khawarij will be with him when he "comes out".
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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 11th July 2019 17:13
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حديث عن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الل ّه تعالى عنه قال عبد االله ابن ا ِلإمام أحمد: وجدت هذا الحديث في كتاب أبي بخط يده، حدثني عبد المتعال بن عبد الوهاب، حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد الأموي، حدثنا مجالد عن أبي الوداك قال: قال أبو سعيد: هل يلتقي الخوارج بالدجال؟ قلت: لا. فقال: قال رسول االله صلى االله عليه وسلم: " ِإني َخاَتمُ ألف َأ ْو َأ ْك َث َر، َوَما بعث نبي ٌّ يُْتَبعُ ِإلا َّ َو َق ْد حذ َّ َر أمَّته الد َّج َّا َل،وإني َقْدب َينليمِنأْم ِرِهَما َلْمُيَبي َّْنلأَحٍد، ِإن َّهُأْعَورُو ِإن َّرب َّ ُكْم َلْي َسبأْعَوَر، َوَعْينها ْلُيْمنى َعْوراءُ َجاِح َظ ٌةلا ُت ْخ َفى كأان َّهَا َنخَامَة ٌ َع َلى َحاِئط ُمجصّص، و َعْينُهُ ا ْلُي ْسَرى ك َأن َّهَا َك ْو َكب ُدر ِّي، َمَعهُ من ُكل ِّ لِسان ومعه صور ُة الجنِّة َخضراَءَي ْج ِريفيهاالماُءوصورةالنا ِر َسْوَداَءتُدَخ ِّن".

كتاب : النهاية في الفتن والملاحم

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